Are Second Life residents a sample of their cultures?

Topic:

http://donhosho.wordpress.com/category/third-life-3d-life-project/second-life-as-a-cultural-exchange-platform/

Chat Log:

[14:40] Barney Boomslang: *shrug* SL is just a whiteboard, what you put on it is up to you
[14:40] Lila Utu: exactly
[14:40] Mollie Serevi: yes I agree
[14:40] Nizzy Lusch: When there’s no imposed order, natural order tends to kick in, I think
[14:41] Labproject3 Spitteler: yeah nizzy.
[14:41] Bibi Book: waht is natural order for you Nizzy?
[14:41] Lila Utu: well, Nizzy – did you read Lord of the FLies?
[14:41] Sidda Leigh: hehe Lila
[14:41] Elf Carver: right what is the natural order in SL?
[14:41] Nizzy Lusch: It is when things settle themselves without the need of applying force
[14:41] Sidda Leigh: good one
[14:41] Barney Boomslang: hehe, yeah, “natural order” can be icky and frightening
[14:41] Elf Carver: i saw the movie
[14:41] Julian Vesta: you know….i live in a poor country, i’m thinking about the people that maybe will never see SL….they even have a computer…
[14:41] Labproject3 Spitteler: it s a pettern in the way people think.
[14:42] Labproject3 Spitteler: and behave
[14:42] Elf Carver: Julian… right
[14:42] You: pattern*
[14:42] Julian Vesta: so, this is a “middle class” culture
[14:42] Bibi Book: I think, it depends on waht peopke, and we are humans, think a “natural” order is
[14:42] Elf Carver: they dont care about SL they want food
[14:42] Barney Boomslang: julian: yeah, that’s something we should keep in mind. we here are not “typical” – in most countries nobody will know about SL. Well, sure there might be a few thousand, but calculated on the whole population, that’s just a statistical error
[14:42] Sidda Leigh: good popint Julian
[14:42] Elf Carver: same as where i come from
[14:42] Tycho Spyker: it almost has to be middle class, doesn’t it?
[14:42] Barney Boomslang: we are not the “typical” resident of our cultures
[14:42] Lila Utu: yes Julian – teh poor don’t have a computer and the rich are too busy making sure no one steals their money
[14:43] Sidda Leigh: agreed Bibi and Julian
[14:43] Labproject3 Spitteler: which lets u back to how we can take things for granted again elf.
[14:43] Tycho Spyker: using SL requires broadband internet, generally only available in urban/suburban areas
[14:43] Barney Boomslang: for one all of us have to be rather crazy and weird to actually _ be_ in a 3D virtual world to start with.
[14:43] Elf Carver: i was lucky to have a talent that people thought was worth something…
[14:43] Nizzy Lusch: Well, I think it’s a really basic, common thing. If you’re around people you don’t fit in with, you go elsewhere to find people you do fit in with. It happens automatically
[14:43] Tycho Spyker: and a decent computer and free time
[14:43] Sidda Leigh: ROFL barney yes i was thinking that oo
[14:43] Julian Vesta: you know, i talk about “samba” but the real samba lives in the favelas
[14:43] Ahmad Hosho: tycho: i use DSL.
[14:44] Sidda Leigh: hahaha we all do have the comomona *crazy* factor of being here in the first place
[14:44] Tycho Spyker: Ahmad: as do i, but i tried SL on other connections such as satellite and it’s not really usable
[14:44] Sidda Leigh: erm…common
[14:44] Elf Carver: yeah Sidda
[14:44] Tycho Spyker: Yes, i’m a Psycho Tycho
[14:44] Ahmad Hosho: so do we think the form or structure of SL visual cultre has been formed naturally?
[14:45] Tycho Spyker: ok, maybe just a little but screwy
[14:45] Tycho Spyker: Yes
[14:45] Nizzy Lusch: I think so
[14:45] Rafale Kamachi: What I find interesting is that some people forget it is a game.
[14:45] Lila Utu: you lost me AHmad
[14:45] Lila Utu: what?
[14:45] Julian Vesta: QUESTION: What part of other “culture” you CAN’T learn or get in SL?
[14:45] Elf Carver: Ahmad good question, i think we do
[14:45] Tycho Spyker: it hasn’t been directed by anything other than social and economic pressures.

 

why do sepacialy US people so often say “America” of their country? there is south and north america and many countries in both

Topic:

http://donhosho.wordpress.com/category/third-life-3d-life-project/second-life-as-a-cultural-exchange-platform/

Chat Log:
Only Americans perform life music in SL? Huh?

[14:31] Julian Vesta: well, there’s one thing about music….i don’t see musicians outside the US playing songs from their country….it’s hard to find “cultural” songs
[14:31] Elf Carver: my own personal experience
[14:31] Lila Utu’s experience with Camels is it was a brand she used when she used to smoke
[14:31] Ahmad Hosho: tamsin: 10 pounds to take picture with? oh i need to be a cample now
[14:31] Labproject3 Spitteler: yeah elf.
[14:32] Barney Boomslang: julian: yeah, I would love more regional tunes from people.
[14:32] Sidda Leigh: so SL DOES teach us a lot about ourselves
[14:32] Sidda Leigh: that issomethingi did not expect
[14:32] Mollie Serevi: I’m having a hard time following the conversation…
[14:32] Sidda Leigh: and it teaches us things about other cultures
[14:32] Barney Boomslang: I loved when that band from africa played some songs – it was great.
[14:32] Sidda Leigh: i did notexpect that when i came to SL
[14:32] Elf Carver: Sidda you are so right
[14:32] Labproject3 Spitteler: from the views of other people.
[14:32] Barney Boomslang: and when jamba had his african friend over for a visit
[14:32] Ahmad Hosho: hint: for who can’t follow conversation: click history botton.. bigger page.
[14:32] Lila Utu: anyone logging this? can send a notecard later?
[14:32] Tamsin Congrejo: i think i need some sleep everybody. th ank you for the nice discussion i hope to see you all again at some point!
[14:32] Labproject3 Spitteler: i am logging this.

America or USA?
[14:33] Bibi Book: May I ask somehting: why do sepacialy US people so often say “America” of their country? there is south and nort america dnd many countries in both
[14:33] Ahmad Hosho: hint: me and lab are logging it.
[14:33] Sidda Leigh: I will save it Lila
[14:33] Sidda Leigh: ok goodie Ahmad
[14:33] Mollie Serevi: I always say US
[14:33] Mollie Serevi: never America
[14:33] Lila Utu: I say US usually too
[14:33] Tycho Spyker: yeah, same here
[14:33] Labproject3 Spitteler: good question bibi.
[14:33] Labproject3 Spitteler: i say america. lol
[14:33] Tamsin Congrejo: well…good night
[14:33] Julian Vesta: yes, Barney….sometimes i just wanna listen to new songs, new ways to play….not just the worldwide radio songs
[14:33] Sidda Leigh: I say USA
[14:33] Mollie Serevi: bye Tasmin
[14:33] Barney Boomslang: SL would give such a great opportunity to get more regional music presented to people who maybe would never actually listen to it in RL
[14:33] Tycho Spyker: Night Tamsin
[14:34] Julian Vesta: that’s right Barney
[14:34] Messalina Messerchmitt: Bye Tansin
[14:34] Barney Boomslang: instead we get the 1000th cover song artist *sigh*
[14:34] Lila Utu: Barney – yes, between you and Henrietta – I have gotten to hear some wonderful music I wouldn’t have known how to find
[14:34] Julian Vesta: sometimes, musicians think that they HAVE to sing in english
[14:34] Bibi Book: Barney: yes, and we even can have more local things
[14:34] Ahmad Hosho: bye tamsin
[14:34] Gianluca Randt: Well, personal
[14:34] Lila Utu: and to hear Julian, and so many of the musicians here
[14:34] Barney Boomslang: lila: yeah, hen is crazy in that regard. she kicks my ass with her music collection anytime easily
[14:34] Lila Utu:
[14:34] Bibi Book: A friend brought me a spain musician and I hope she will sing local things hre some time
[14:35] Julian Vesta: out of topis: Barney, i wanna know Henrietta
[14:35] Elf Carver: i find myself having more in common with people that i meet here in SL, that with friends o people i know from my home land
[14:35] Bibi Book: local from her spanish region – not spanish mainstream
[14:35] Sidda Leigh: why elf?
[14:35] Sidda Leigh:
[14:35] Elf Carver: we speak the same “language”
[14:36] Sidda Leigh: tell me ho
[14:36] Ahmad Hosho: may be a good ida is to speak about the embassies opening in SL. as the swedish embassy
[14:36] Barney Boomslang: julian: just listen for the area with the most swearwords. and if that’s a club and a cute fairy just got ejected and banned from that club, the chances are high that this fairy is h en
[14:36] Tycho Spyker: probably because SL attracts the same types of people
[14:36] Elf Carver: i’m more open to new ideas and stuff
[14:36] Ahmad Hosho: i have learn some stuff about sweden country when i visited their embassy
[14:36] Sidda Leigh:
[14:36] Lila Utu: rofl barney
[14:36] You: alsowith people from all over there world here, the chances of finding people similar to u is greater.
[14:36] Julian Vesta: ok, Barney
[14:36] Lila Utu: Tycho – I object to being called a “type”
[14:37] Sidda Leigh: that is an interesting comment to me Lab
[14:37] Tycho Spyker: i haven’t been to any SL embassies, Ahmad, but I will go now that i know of them
[14:37] Tycho Spyker: LOL
[14:37] Labproject3 Spitteler: just the odds right?
[14:37] Sidda Leigh: because having people from al over he world…so different…and finding people that have so much in common
[14:37] Tycho Spyker: not a single type, but a broad collection of thinking people
[14:37] Lila Utu: I can talk to “kids” here that don’t know I am same age as their mom
[14:37] Ahmad Hosho: tycho: this is another point. when i go to embassies i find only the people of their countries are the most there.
[14:37] Sidda Leigh: it says that we are all not so much different than we may think
[14:37] Labproject3 Spitteler: yeah its neat.
[14:37] Lila Utu: and we have more common ground thn we may have suspected at frist
[14:37] Elf Carver: i’m at work these rl people are interrupting my SL life… gosh
[14:37] Sidda Leigh: yes agreed Lila
[14:38] Tycho Spyker: that is strange
[14:38] Sidda Leigh: rofl elf
[14:38] Ahmad Hosho: it seems to me like: embassies tells about themselvies inside their own countries.
[14:38] Teegin Otoole: [[Laughing Out Loud]] @ elf
[14:38] Ahmad Hosho: elf: so sorry to hear.
[14:38] Lila Utu: bollywood music — wohoo
[14:38] Elf Carver: (ty for you compasion guys)
[14:38] Sidda Leigh: Elf…dance with Sidda?
[14:39] Lila Utu: totally off topic – I want to find a bhangra animation
[14:39] Elf Carver: i would loveto
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[14:39] Ahmad Hosho: this is the point of 3rd life group at least, to gather different cultres to exchange and talk. may be to discuss our world problems too.
[14:39] Sidda Leigh: Soooooo should SL do anything to facilitate learning about one another? or are we doing ok by ourselves?
[14:40] Lila Utu: the latter
[14:40] Lila Utu: that is teh beauty of SL
[14:40] Sidda Leigh: we are doing ok?
[14:40] Lila Utu: we find the common ground on our own
[14:40] Sidda Leigh: :)
[14:40] Julian Vesta: SL its a good start

 

What have you learned about your own culture as a result of meeting others in Secondlife?

Topic:

http://donhosho.wordpress.com/category/third-life-3d-life-project/second-life-as-a-cultural-exchange-platform/

Chat Log:

[14:25] Tycho Spyker: well, if we speak of cultures as more than the boundaries of nations
[14:25] Tycho Spyker: there are many subcultures here as well
[14:25] Sidda Leigh: What have you learned about your own culture as a result of meeting others in SL?
[14:26] Sidda Leigh: yes good point tycho
[14:26] Elf Carver: (i feel like i’m at a family reunion, where i dont lnow anybody)
[14:26] Mollie Serevi: good question Sidda
[14:26] Sidda Leigh: wow that i nice elf
[14:26] Ahmad Hosho: a lot of subculties has made visual forms in secondlife.
[14:26] Mollie Serevi: hi Gian
[14:26] Sidda Leigh: a reunion very nice
[14:26] Gianluca Randt: Hi All
[14:26] Lila Utu: have learned that as an American we should have been encouraged in school to learn more languages — most Europeans seem to speak several languages
[14:26] Elf Carver: from my own culture…. i dont know
[14:26] Gianluca Randt: Hi Mollie
[14:26] Tycho Spyker: i’ve learned that I take a lot of things for granted, as an american
[14:26] Sidda Leigh: i agree Lila
[14:26] Messalina Messerchmitt: Does anyone find they are stereotyped when you tell someone where you are from?
[14:27] Labproject3 Spitteler: agree with tycho
[14:27] Bibi Book: What was interesting for me: I have much more in common wit north african people, people from australie or whereever than with people from US, though they are said to have our culture
[14:27] Sidda Leigh: yes in some ways Messa
[14:27] Elf Carver: i learn what other people think of my culture here, their opwn perseption
[14:27] Mollie Serevi: I agree with Tycho
[14:27] Ahmad Hosho: i personally have learn that everyone thinks egypt has camels. which i personally saw 2 or 3 camels in my life, and was out of egypt.
[14:27] Julian Vesta: well, nobody thinks i’m an indian anymore….:-)
[14:27] Messalina Messerchmitt: Like people think that all English people live in London
[14:27] Mollie Serevi: LOL Ahmad
[14:27] Lila Utu: lol Julian
[14:27] Tycho Spyker: i always tend to get along with Aussies, Bibi
[14:27] Mara Chevalier: erm they do right ahmad?
[14:27] You: eypgt doesnt have camels?
[14:27] Tycho Spyker: i thought i was the only one
[14:27] Nizzy Lusch: It’s because you sit inside and play SL all day Ahmad
[14:27] Tamsin Congrejo: lol
[14:27] Sidda Leigh: I find myself, as an American, quickly making jokes about Bush in order to make sure I am understood as a non supporter
[14:27] Labproject3 Spitteler: lol
[14:27] Elf Carver: LOL Ahmad TY for destroing that ilusion for me
[14:28] Tamsin Congrejo: egypt has like ONE camel
[14:28] Lila Utu: lol me too sidda
[14:28] Sidda Leigh: lol Lila
[14:28] Tycho Spyker: LOL, Sidda
[14:28] Ahmad Hosho: tamsin went to egypt, ask her
[14:28] Sidda Leigh: I DO
[14:28] Ahmad Hosho:
[14:28] Elf Carver: Sidda we all know you have a support Bush signn in your yard in RL
[14:28] Ahmad Hosho: oh i am worried if india has no elephants
[14:28] Tamsin Congrejo: as i said, theres is one camel next to the pyramids of gizeh and thats it
[14:28] Labproject3 Spitteler: lol
[14:28] Ahmad Hosho: and we just thought it has
[14:28] Sidda Leigh: rofl very funny elf
[14:28] Elf Carver: LOL
[14:28] Tycho Spyker: the only camel in egypt, eh?
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[14:29] Nizzy Lusch: Is it the beer drinking camel? I saw an Egyptian camel on tv, and it only drank beer
[14:29] Tamsin Congrejo: yeah and it costs 10 egyptian pounds to sit on it. another 10 pounds to take a picture of it.
[14:29] Tycho Spyker: LOL
[14:29] Sidda Leigh: so that tells me something different about America these days
[14:29] Elf Carver: what is that sidda?
[14:29] Sidda Leigh: the fact that I feel the need to explain myself right away when I meet someone from abother country
[14:29] Tycho Spyker: what’s that, Sidda?
[14:29] Sidda Leigh: sorry about te lag typing
[14:29] Tycho Spyker: ah
[14:29] Ahmad Hosho: nizzy: in tv is more real then
[14:29] Lila Utu: bush is trying hard to find something, anything , to leave behind as his legacy — and all we see of his “legacy” is the turds he dropped along the way
[14:29] Tycho Spyker: i don’t really
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[14:29] Tycho Spyker: there are so many other things to talk about
[14:30] Tycho Spyker: music, art, technology
[14:30] Ahmad Hosho: elf: u are welcome
[14:30] Elf Carver: Ahmad
[14:30] Tycho Spyker: and these are universal
[14:30] Nizzy Lusch: Well, it could have been fake I guess, like the moon landing and stuff
[14:30] Sidda Leigh: well I think that Americans are finding themselves in a diff position now
[14:30] Sidda Leigh: but that is another topic
[14:30] Bibi Book: Sidda: makes it think you, that not only arabian people do not like the US govenment?
[14:31] Sidda Leigh: really….its about how we learn from ontanother here
[14:31] Ahmad Hosho: tamsin: yes, it is done for tourists
[14:31] Tamsin Congrejo: i know ahmad *lol*
[14:31] Ahmad Hosho: they all come asking for camels
[14:31] Ahmad Hosho: big part of them*
[14:31] Sidda Leigh: well Bibi I know a lot of americans thatdo not like our govet right now
[14:31] Elf Carver: i grew up in Central America i’m 40 never remeber America as being the most loved country in the world

 

How does Secondlife enrich Real Life to you?

Topic:

http://donhosho.wordpress.com/category/third-life-3d-life-project/second-life-as-a-cultural-exchange-platform/

Chat Log:

[14:12] Sidda Leigh: How does SL enrich RL to you?
[14:13] Tycho Spyker: because socializing is socializing
[14:13] Ahmad Hosho: tycho: may be this is what is called virtual cultre?
[14:13] Sidda Leigh:
[14:13] Sidda Leigh: yes
[14:13] Tycho Spyker: to be specific, i live alone right now
[14:13] Labproject3 Spitteler: i quit getting angry and killing people.
[14:13] Sidda Leigh: yes?
[14:13] You: lol jk
[14:13] Lila Utu: is there a format to the discussion so we aren’t alking on top of each other?
[14:13] Mollie Serevi: I love meeting people from different places/cultures
[14:13] Tycho Spyker: as do i
[14:13] Sidda Leigh: its very loose Lila
[14:13] Tycho Spyker: some places have a “soapbox”
[14:13] Tycho Spyker: but i see none here
[14:14] Ahmad Hosho: the topic: Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform
[14:14] Bibi Book: Mollie; I think, that is one of the most important things
[14:14] Ahmad Hosho: a question to stat with will be: Have you ever found yourself in a RL situation where you spoke knowledgeably about a country you have never visited based on your SL experiences?
[14:14] Bibi Book: think
[14:14] Teegin Otoole: no
[14:14] Tamsin Congrejo: anser:no
[14:14] Tamsin Congrejo: sorry typo
[14:14] Sidda Leigh: I have Ahmad
[14:14] Julian Vesta: I have
[14:14] Mollie Serevi: of course
[14:14] Tycho Spyker: no, but i have learned more about some cultures
[14:15] Sidda Leigh: And yes Mollie this is what this is about…the impact of meeting other cultures
[14:15] Elf Carver: back
[14:15] Sidda Leigh: I have learned a great deal about other cultures from SL
[14:15] Labproject3 Spitteler: same as tycho here.
[14:15] Sidda Leigh: and it has defined for me what I am as an American
[14:15] Ahmad Hosho: sidda: like what?
[14:15] Nizzy Lusch: Hi everybody!!!
[14:15] Mollie Serevi: right, the media in the us provides a skewed view of the world
[14:15] Vivid Nikolaidis: HoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo!
[14:16] Sidda Leigh: by that I mean…it gives me a persepective of what it is to be an American from the viewpoints of others
[14:16] Labproject3 Spitteler: yeah
[14:16] Messalina Messerchmitt: Hi Nizzy!
[14:16] Sidda Leigh: agreed Mollie
[14:16] Labproject3 Spitteler: nizzy!
[14:16] Sidda Leigh: skwered or limitecd
[14:16] Sidda Leigh: limited
[14:16] Mollie Serevi: yes very narrow
[14:16] Nizzy Lusch: Hi Labsy
[14:16] Teegin Otoole: hi vivid
[14:16] Rafale Kamachi: For a start I would be interested to know where everyone comes from.
[14:16] Rafale Kamachi: I am French
[14:16] Ahmad Hosho: i mean i would like to read an example about something u used to know .. and secondlife has changed ur view about it.
[14:16] Vivid Nikolaidis: teeg
[14:16] Tycho Spyker: i agree, sidda, especially when it comes to things such as the constitution
[14:16] Messalina Messerchmitt: I am English
[14:16] Alcofribas Ninetails: Yes
[14:17] Ahmad Hosho: i am egyptian.
[14:17] Teegin Otoole: i take that back, I have learned about other cultures
[14:17] Alcofribas Ninetails: hi
[14:17] Julian Vesta: Brazilian
[14:17] Ahmad Hosho: hi alfocfribas
[14:17] Sidda Leigh: well as an example Ahmad I have learned a great deal about the German culture from my friend, Rraurgrimm
[14:17] Tycho Spyker: wow, so many countries right here
[14:17] Sidda Leigh: and I think he has learned from me
[14:17] Tycho Spyker: where else can you get that?
[14:17] Rafale Kamachi: No, not so many countries.
[14:17] Vivid Nikolaidis: I learned I have no accent
[14:17] Mollie Serevi: it’s not easy
[14:17] Rafale Kamachi: For the moment only 5.
[14:17] Teegin Otoole: LMAO
[14:17] Mollie Serevi: lol Viv
[14:18] Tycho Spyker: hehe
[14:18] Elf Carver: lol no accents in sl?
[14:18] Sidda Leigh: u do have an accent viv lol…its an american accent roflrofl
[14:18] Mara Chevalier: i learned how to bake square cupcakes
[14:18] Alcofribas Ninetails: Yes
[14:18] Vivid Nikolaidis: you mean plain white bread
[14:18] Mollie Serevi: I was telling Ahmad yesterday that I have learned a lot about S. Africa… had no idea about the issues in that country
[14:18] Ahmad Hosho: i find good information in form of visuals about other cultres here.
[14:18] Julian Vesta: well , i’m a musician….and i’ve done a lot of concerts in SL playing brazilian music and sound very different to a lot of people.
[14:18] Sidda Leigh: yes like what Mollie?
[14:18] Tamsin Congrejo: i learned a lot about egypt *lol*
[14:18] Alcofribas Ninetails: Jajaja
[14:18] Tamsin Congrejo:
[14:18] Tamsin Congrejo: AFTER i was in egypt
[14:18] Tamsin Congrejo: !!!!
[14:18] Elf Carver: i love brazilian music
[14:18] Tamsin Congrejo: thanks to ahmad
[14:18] Alcofribas Ninetails: And I like when you are nake
[14:18] Mollie Serevi: crime rate, power cuts, corrupt politicians Sidda
[14:18] Nizzy Lusch: I have learned that Egyptians tend to be silly people
[14:18] Alcofribas Ninetails: naked
[14:19] Julian Vesta: But now i’m teaching some friends, tellin histories about the composers, musicians, etc
[14:19] Mollie Serevi: great Julian
[14:19] Ahmad Hosho: nizzy: good it looks very close to egypt
[14:19] Nizzy Lusch: Nahm Nahm Nahm!
[14:19] Julian Vesta: but i felt some prejudice as well
[14:19] Alcofribas Ninetails: Nice
[14:19] Elf Carver: where Julian?
[14:19] Sidda Leigh: I have learned a lot about Egypt too as knowing AHmad has spurred me to read about it and become more famiiar with it not only geographically but istorically
[14:19] Vivid Nikolaidis: I learned that space cakes are not from space
[14:19] Ahmad Hosho: but one thing, when someone speaks about a country says : america. someone may say no u are wrong. do u feel shy to say u have learn that in secondlife?
[14:20] Tycho Spyker: yes
[14:20] Vivid Nikolaidis: amsterdam
[14:20] Elf Carver: uhmmm good question
[14:20] Sidda Leigh: I do Ahmad
[14:20] Mara Chevalier: HoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo!
[14:20] Tycho Spyker: because there is a misconception of SL among most of my friends
[14:20] Sidda Leigh: yes
[14:20] Tycho Spyker: and peers
[14:20] You: yeah
[14:20] Alcofribas Ninetails: Mine too
[14:20] Sidda Leigh: yes agreed Tycho
[14:20] Mara Chevalier: joint
[14:20] Elf Carver: yeah me too they dont know about SL i have no time to explain it
[14:20] Mollie Serevi: I found out people around the world know more about the US presidential race than I do
[14:20] Sidda Leigh: lol Molli
[14:20] Elf Carver: lol
[14:20] Tycho Spyker: yes, they do pay attention to what goes on here
[14:20] Julian Vesta: you know….music is a great part of the cultural definition of “the self” and people used to mix the things: music and origin
[14:20] Barney Boomslang: btw: current song is “Der Fremde” and is about someone who had to leave his home and came to a land where he is not accepted by the people around. “I’m a stranger here, but not a friend”
[14:20] Tycho Spyker: but in their own countries as well
[14:21] Ahmad Hosho: i have to say when i joined 2nd life at first, i wanted to leave it.. but acutally what made me stays that i have met a lot of different people who taught me a lot of stuff about their RL
[14:21] Alcofribas Ninetails: I wish to see some photos of you
[14:21] Alcofribas Ninetails: Madame
[14:21] Tycho Spyker: i’ve found that in general, a lot of other cultures are more politically aware than our own
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: yes and that is intensely interesting to me because I really enjoy learning about the perespective of oter countries on America
[14:21] Mollie Serevi: me too Ahmad
[14:21] Tycho Spyker: (being American)
[14:21] Labproject3 Spitteler: meeting new people was more of a perk for me.
[14:21] Elf Carver: there is so much text here… i really feel foreignn now
[14:21] Elf Carver:
[14:21] Ahmad Hosho: to learn about other cultres is not by talk only. here we have a small example of RL social life.. not the same yes. but too close
[14:21] Mollie Serevi:
[14:21] Messalina Messerchmitt: Love the music!
[14:21] Julian Vesta: lol, Elf
[14:22] Lila Utu: I am having trouble keeping up with the discussion as well
[14:22] Elf Carver: me too plus i have a mild case of ADD
[14:22] Labproject3 Spitteler: lol
[14:22] Tycho Spyker: tip: just pick a topic you see scrolling by and jump in
[14:22] Elf Carver: lets dance
[14:23] Ahmad Hosho: hint: we still speak about if u feel shy to say u have learn something about other cultres in SL.
[14:23] Elf Carver: i do man
[14:23] Julian Vesta: well, there’s good and bad people all over the world. I learn from the good ones
[14:23] Rafale Kamachi: I don’t.
[14:23] Labproject3 Spitteler: sl helps me talk to people easier, ive noticed this in rl too.
[14:23] Tycho Spyker: absolutely, Lab
[14:23] Elf Carver: i learn from the bad ones too
[14:23] Mollie Serevi: ok… here’s something… I was talking with some Australians last week bout their prime minister’s apology to the aboriginal people
[14:23] Rafale Kamachi: On the contrary it is often cause of a joke with my friends.
[14:23] Mollie Serevi: and was talking about our own problesm like that in the US
[14:24] Tycho Spyker: the racial tensions, reparations, yes
[14:24] Lila Utu: my alt makes different friends – she is more outgoing – lol
[14:24] Mollie Serevi: Lila
[14:24] Sidda Leigh: why is taht Lila?
[14:24] Julian Vesta: SL is a terapist chair…:-)
[14:24] Tycho Spyker: it certainly can be
[14:24] Ahmad Hosho: therapist chair?
[14:24] Barney Boomslang: my alts are lazy bums and hide on the asset server to avoid working
[14:24] Labproject3 Spitteler: lol lila
[14:24] Lila Utu: I am closer to the RL personality
[14:24] Teegin Otoole: LMAO
[14:24] Sidda Leigh: lol Barney
[14:25] Teegin Otoole: barney — good one
[14:25] Lila Utu: the alt is more teh projected ideal of fearlessness

 

What is the 3rd life?

Topic:

http://donhosho.wordpress.com/category/third-life-3d-life-project/second-life-as-a-cultural-exchange-platform/

Chat Log:
[14:04] Ahmad Hosho: The event is starting
[14:04] Labproject3 Spitteler: yay.
[14:04] Rafale Kamachi:
[14:07] Tycho Spyker: so what is meant by 3rd life?
[14:07] Ahmad Hosho: i am looking at the invitation now acutally
[14:07] Mollie Serevi: hey Teegin
[14:07] Tycho Spyker: is it the merging of SL and RL?
[14:07] Teegin Otoole: hi
[14:08] Ahmad Hosho: tycho : may be yes
[14:08] Lila Utu: 3rd life is what your avatar plays on his/her computer
[14:08] Ahmad Hosho: tycho: i think it is a trial to find some useful ideas for SL
[14:08] Mollie Serevi: lol Lila
[14:08] You: lol lila
[14:08] Tycho Spyker: lol
[14:08] Sidda Leigh: Hello Tycho
[14:08] Sidda Leigh:
[14:08] Ahmad Hosho: lila: i have a labtop in secondlife, to play 3rd life
[14:08] Tycho Spyker: Hi Sidda
[14:08] Sidda Leigh: Hi Elf
[14:08] Sidda Leigh: :0
[14:09] Lila Utu: cool, AHmad
[14:09] Ahmad Hosho:
[14:09] Mollie Serevi: hi Elf
[14:09] Tycho Spyker: nice
[14:09] Sidda Leigh: Hey Teegin :)
[14:09] Teegin Otoole: hi!
[14:09] Tamsin Congrejo: so what do you do in your third life then? same as in second? playing a fourth life? are you trying to make yourself living forever with playing a million lifes?
[14:09] You: that sound cool.
[14:09] Tycho Spyker: so Ahmad, you see this as more than an extension of RL, something separate to be used in a different manner?
[14:09] Mara Chevalier: AHMAD ))
[14:10] Labproject3 Spitteler: what if one of them died?
[14:10] Bibi Book: Hi Mara and Julian
[14:10] Julian Vesta: hi everyone
[14:10] Sidda Leigh: viv
[14:10] Ahmad Hosho: tamsin: 3rd life may mean just a better life as a result of living 2 lives
[14:10] Mara Chevalier: hi bibi
[14:10] Lila Utu: I haven’t seen you in awhile, I guess, Ahmad – your avatar has a very different appearance
[14:10] Sidda Leigh: Messalina hello
[14:10] Elf Carver: hi guys…
[14:10] Elf Carver: BRB
[14:10] Mara Chevalier: Elf :
[14:10] Sidda Leigh: ok let me get situated here lol
[14:10] Ahmad Hosho: tycho: it is a conceptual name, i see 3rd life as a name given to express a better social life
[14:11] Julian Vesta: hey Barney!!
[14:11] Sidda Leigh: hey mara
[14:11] Sidda Leigh:
[14:11] Lila Utu: Hi Julian!
[14:11] Mara Chevalier: SIDDDDSSSSS
[14:11] Sidda Leigh:
[14:11] Mara Chevalier: xox hi gal
[14:11] Julian Vesta: Lila!!!
[14:11] Sidda Leigh: hey there
[14:11] Lila Utu: hugs
[14:11] Tamsin Congrejo: hi at new arrivals
[14:11] Tycho Spyker: makes sense, Ahmad
[14:11] Julian Vesta: nice to see you
[14:11] Ahmad Hosho: or on another word: what did we learn from both lives.. and how to find solutions for our 2nd life and 3rd life
[14:12] Ahmad Hosho: hello mara, vivi, elf messa
[14:12] Tycho Spyker: well, since there are real people behind the avatars, perhaps living life differently from what they are able to in 1st life
[14:12] Messalina Messerchmitt: Hi Ahmad
[14:12] Tycho Spyker: a new social environment and enrichment of RL can certainly stem from that
[14:12] Sidda Leigh: How so Tycho?
[14:12] Labproject3 Spitteler: neat

 

Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform

Topic:

This is the chat log of the 3rd life group meeting, to discuss the topic: Second Life as a cultural Exchange Platform.

In 19th Feb, 2008. 2pm-3pm SLT. Bibi’s Cafe.

• In our Second Lives, becoming educated about new cultures and countries is part of our every day encounters whether we strive for this or not.
• Have you ever found yourself in a RL situation where you spoke knowledgeably about a country you have never visited based on your SL experiences?
• In doing so, have you found your listeners dubious about your enthusiasm and factual information as you have never traveled to the places of which you speak in RL, and as your facts come from the Internet or SL only, have you ever been made to feel odd?
• How is SL a game? How is it not? What does SL do for us in learning about one another? What does it teach us about our own cultures, as well as others?
• . What can we do to develp SL to facilitate learning about one another? Should we? Or, is it better to leave SL as it is and us to our own devices?

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/02/3rd-life.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog as following:

• What is the 3rd life?

• How does Secondlife enrich Real Life to you?

• What have you learned about your own culture as a result of meeting others in Secondlife?

• why do sepacialy US people so often say “America” of their country? there is south and nort america and many countries in both

• Are Second Life residents a sample of their cultures?

 

Why do most people in the first life tab say that Secondlife is a game to them? Is it just a game to you? Why do you feel people have the inclination to define SL in their profiles as a game? Does RL define SL for us? How can we define SecondLife for the public?

Topic: 3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 7:

Why do most people in the first life tab say that Secondlife is a game to them? Is it just a game to you? Why do you feel people have the inclination to define SL in their profiles as a game? Does RL define SL for us? How can we define SecondLife for the public?

[18:54] Mollie Serevi: I don’t know what you mean about “most people” Ahmad
[18:54] You: it can be a game if u choose…or not
[18:54] Tanya Rubble: I think it’s a defense mechanism
[18:54] Tanya Rubble: a way to say, I don’t want to talk about my RL with you
[18:54] Mollie Serevi: Ihaven’t noticed that
[18:55] You: if u set ur own goals
[18:55] Gracie Price: SL is certainly not a game to me. My emotions are Gracie’s emotions.
[18:55] You: same here gracie
[18:55] Tanya Rubble: I don’t think they really mean it’s a game, like other video games
[18:55] Ahmad Hosho: but why do u need to tell something like that?
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: me too Gracie
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: I don’t Ahmad
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: SL is not a game for me
[18:55] Gracie Price: I have learned alot about myself from Gracie though…as far as defining who I am and articulating it
[18:56] Ahmad Hosho: not u particuallry mollie, i mean most people do any way
[18:56] Mollie Serevi: yes I know
[18:56] Thurgood Collas: Sl is not a game to me, though I sometimes meet avatars who think of it such
[18:56] You: how do they thur?
[18:56] Ahmad Hosho: i dont do too, but isnt interesting to redfine something we already supposed to know?
[18:56] Mollie Serevi: but I thougth your question was leading…. haven’t noticed that eveyone says it’s a game
[18:57] Ahmad Hosho: oh, i hope i am not the only one who noticed it
[18:57] Mollie Serevi: might be interesting to survey
[18:57] You: i have seen lots of people ;s profiles say its only a game
[18:57] Gracie Price: I don’t generally look at the first life tab…it’s usually nonsense and nothing about the first life anyway
[18:57] Vivid Nikolaidis is Offline
[18:57] Ahmad Hosho: a poll in http://hosho.blogspot.com is running asking if SL is a game or not a game.
[18:58] Tanya Rubble: But if you are looking at the 1st life tab, you want to know something about thier first life
[18:58] Gracie Price grins at the shameless plug for his blog
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: 85% so far said it is not a game
[18:58] Tanya Rubble: and some don’t want to share anything
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: yes this is the point Tanya
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: less than 40 people though right?
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: yes mollie
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: I have nothing on my first life tab right now but I have in the past
[18:58] Thurgood Collas: Susally neewbies of hours or days dureation, maybe thinknf of it like an online game with rules and competition
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: depends on my mood
[18:59] You: hello ohlooka
[18:59] Lauranne Theas is Offline
[18:59] Emmily Cortes: bk
[18:59] You: wb
[18:59] Emmily Cortes: ty

 

Is virtual information accurate? That is, do you feel many things you see in SecondLife are as they are in RL?

Topic: 3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 6:

Is virtual information accurate? That is, do you feel many things you see in SecondLife are as they are in RL?

Sidda Leigh: no ahmad it is idealic here
Bibi Book: there are, thouhg less realistic: houses often look in RL – even those one surely cannot live in
Sidda Leigh: ah ok niz
Barney Boomslang: SL defintily isn’t realistic, rarely even near realism. even the good builds have to make compromises to the tech.
Nizzy Lusch: I rather think Linden Lag didn’t know what a meter is, because if you make your avatar realistic size it often looks stumped
Messalina Messerchmitt: *careful
Bibi Book: avatar sizes are in % most let them 100 %

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This is the chat log script of the 2nd meeting which was discussing the same topic, but with different group, according to the time differentiates between countries we were holding the same topic in 2 different times per day, this chat log could also be found at:

http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/3rd-life-group-is-honored-to-invite-you.html

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[18:59] You: as i said earlier today…sl is idealistic in lots of ways
[19:00] Gracie Price: as far as the environment or the interaction between others?
[19:00] Ahmad Hosho: all i guess.

[19:00] Emmily Cortes: Experts, however, have found most recently that feelings that people have online — connections with other virtual characters, loss, friendship, and even love — are in fact real emotions, and humans don’t have the ability to switch off between what they feel on- and off-line. ~The Wall St. Journal~ About Second Life

[19:00] Tanya Rubble: I would say that is largely true
[19:01] Mollie Serevi: have to run… thanks everyone
[19:01] Ahmad Hosho: i discovered than from 2 years lol
[19:01] Thurgood Collas: that is very true Emily
[19:01] Tanya Rubble: my emotions are Tanya’s
[19:01] Tanya Rubble: bye Mollie
[19:01] Ahmad Hosho: ok mollie bye
[19:01] Emmily Cortes: bye Mollie
[19:01] You: bye bye Molls :)
[19:01] Eaton Honi: bye Mollie
[19:01] You: i totaly agree with that em yes
[19:01] You: totally even
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: yes i can not see how anyone could not
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: well when someone dates a girl in SL, should it be a real date then? /me smiles inoccently
[19:02] You: what do u mean a real date
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: i value my online friendships as real as any rl friendships
[19:02] You: yes me too em
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: like hmmm i donno
[19:02] You: sure i think its a real date
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: a date, sidda, a date
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: hosho!
[19:03] You: if u both make plans to meet sure
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: she asked
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: lol
[19:03] Whitney Vega: Thank you so much Gracie
[19:03] Thurgood Collas: it is the same and not the same
[19:03] Gracie Price: lol…yes!!!
[19:03] Emmily Cortes: lol
[19:03] You: its ok emm ima pinch him
[19:03] Lance Lubezki is Online
[19:03] Gracie Price: YW Whitney
[19:03] Emmily Cortes:
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: how so thur, cause it normally confuses me lol sorry
[19:03] Thurgood Collas: th e texting can make it more intense
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: in SL people might be less inhibited or guarded than on an RL date
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: I think I agree with you Thur
[19:04] Emmily Cortes: yes i agree too
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: I never thought about it that way
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: since they are in the comfort of their own home usually
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: some people have said to me
[19:04] You: and yes if i agree to spend time with someone in SL….i certainly take it serioulsy
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: but at the same time, we can be more open without fear
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: Me too, Sidda
[19:04] Ahmad Hosho: thur: yes, and dont have to work hard to look sharp too
[19:04] Gracie Price: but if you ask someone on a date…you should go on a date…to a live concert, to dancing, to a virtual dinner even
[19:04] Emmily Cortes: yes and for example i have several online friends that suffer from social phobia in rl
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: I havent talked like this with anyone since the dorms in collge
[19:05] You: lol ahmad
[19:05] You: rofl thur
[19:05] You: yes its very easy to get close
[19:05] Tanya Rubble: That is a good analogy, Thur
[19:05] You: for one thing we have the common thread of being on SL lolol
[19:05] Ahmad Hosho: well it is the same to me in RL or SL lol i am already a nut any way. but i just want to know if there is a different, so i can consider that in future
[19:05] You: yes u uare a nut
[19:05] You: we agree there
[19:05] Gracie Price laughs

 

Why do you think most avatars look Western?

Topic: 3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 5:

Why do you think most avatars look Western?

You: cause we’re pretty? lol
Barney Boomslang looks at himself and can’t see anything wester
Sidda Leigh: because ahmad that is what most vendors sell?
Bringiton Paine: becasue eatern people are so beautiful its difficult to make such a nice skin lol
Sidda Leigh: hehe bring
Marni Sands: “wester” Barney?
Sidda Leigh: yes
Ahmad Hosho: what about south / middle / and north africans skins
Ahmad Hosho: north asians. south asians, arabic gulf. and far east from asia skins
Marni Sands got lost
Messalina Messerchmitt: you rarely see them
Bringiton Paine: mmm show me where to get one! lol
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: I guess it’s a bit of a “someone has to make them” question.
Ahmad Hosho: they are different shapes and colors
Nizzy Lusch: Blame Hollywood?
You: asian ones i see sometimes
Ahmad Hosho: it is not a blame, it is a why
Sidda Leigh: yes most vendors sell western style skins
Bringiton Paine: i see plenty of arfrican men here
Sidda Leigh: why would that be
Bringiton Paine: (hubba hubba)
Ahmad Hosho: barney: good point too
Sidda Leigh: and another question why do people who are not western use them or make them
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: the skin business is quite lucrative, I heard, don’t you want to make some?
Ahmad Hosho: but dont u think it looks interesting, still
Ahmad Hosho: well barney, i would like too, but i am not sure how to market it
Ahmad Hosho:
Bringiton Paine: i had an asian skin in my inv, but it so not done nice, it didnt flatter the asian look at all so i never used it

 

The rich cultural environment is also a large part of SecondLife. Do you feel this is ignored? On the other hand, many may interpret SL as a sexual environment only. How is this inaccurate?

Topic: 3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 4:

However, the rich cultural environment is also a large part of SL. Do you feel this is ignored? On the other hand, many may interpret SL as a sexual environment only. How is this inaccurate?

Saysha Riggles: i have not ventued into that realm yet, just a bit of sexy chat to tease
Sidda Leigh: i do not interpret it as a sexual enviroment…i see it as cultural rich and have learned a great deal about my self as an american and how we are viewed in the world
Sidda Leigh: i love that about SL
Barney Boomslang: media will allways focus on what brings the m ost eyeballs, so of course they will focus on something juicy or something money.
Nizzy Lusch: Wasn’t it the same with the interwebs? People thought it could only be used to surf pornography
Ahmad Hosho: this never told here, but i know many people feel not comfortable when some friends tell them in RL that SL is a big sex place.
Bringiton Paine: in rl i lack social skills, if i was having a discussion like this with yu people in rl i would be cowering in a corner and keeping my opinions to myself, i couldnt make eye contact . it is like a disease, sl gives me freedom
Barney Boomslang: cultural rich environments – I don’t think you will get many eyeballs with that unless maybe in publications like Nature or GEO or Scientific American
Saysha Riggles: sex is great but SL has much more to offer
Bringiton Paine: sex sells, someone out there gettin rich from them little blue and pink balls, its an investment like anything else
Saysha Riggles: wow
Nizzy Lusch: Oh I think text chat is like a filter for me. Once i have to type things, I can stop myself in the process, while in RL I sometimes start talking and then it’s too late to stop >_>
Alessandro Cazenove: lol Nizzy
Barney Boomslang: well, I wouldn’t see it all negative – people have sex in RL, so of course they will have virtual sex in SL. but the focus sometimes on sex-only is quite weird.
Bringiton Paine: its opposite for me, i press enter way b4 i think about what ive sayd lol
florenze Kerensky: nizzy, i find the reverser… i talk much more in world then in RL
Ahmad Hosho: virtual sex reminds me of demolishion man. if any one knows the movie, remember when he tried to date her?
Barney Boomslang: it _is_ a bit based on what people get exposed to first in this world, though. It# snot all just the media, it’s a bit what we present to the world about SL, too.
You: ur right nizzy. thats why i hate phones lol
Marni Sands: lol – I type slow enough to rarely put my foot in mouth – so to speak
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe that’s the most usual. In SL I can be quite a hermit sometimes
Ahmad Hosho: lab: lol
Marni Sands: Ahmad – I don’t know the reference you made
Ahmad Hosho: dont forget, houses in SL are very comfy
Messalina Messerchmitt: Ive got Voice, but I hate using it
Messalina Messerchmitt: I’d rather type
Nizzy Lusch: hehe, never more comfy than your own apartment
Bringiton Paine: i love houses in sl, no kids hand prints on the walls, or crayons, or vaccuming, or scrubbing the showers, they always stay clean lol
Bibi Book: It is what we present, too, but where do people go first? surely not here…
Saysha Riggles: hehe
Ahmad Hosho: Marni: well, it is about someone traveled to future, and asked for a date from another lady. but when they were dating, she just decided to make the relation in a virtual world, with sensors. and he was like ” WTH “
Alessandro Cazenove: I find that even with virtual sex, real emotions tend to arise.
Bringiton Paine: i never dabbled enough in virtual sex to experience that
Ahmad Hosho: marni: she said it is crazy at her time to make a natural relation, and spoke about how human was in danger because of that telling about viruses like AIDS and such.
Ahmad Hosho: the movie is ” demolishion man “
Saysha Riggles: the fact that kids are in here prohibits me from doing cyber avatar sex
Barney Boomslang: alessandro: of course. it’s still a real human on the other side of the keyboard
Marni Sands: so, that is how SL sex is like the movie? because it is not physical?
Nizzy Lusch: To me virtual sex is kinda like virtual food. Might wet your appetite but it never fills the spot >_>
You: yeah, thats a eeire thought
Saysha Riggles: LOL
Bringiton Paine: i know some people have different accounts for diffrent uses
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: and still you can see people in here with glasses of drink or plates of food
Ahmad Hosho: i have 2
Bringiton Paine: one to build, one to shag, one to meet friends, one to have a shop etc
Nizzy Lusch: Yes lol
Messalina Messerchmitt: lol
Bringiton Paine: i find that weird
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe they’re bulding up an appetite for dinner
Ahmad Hosho: well my alt is not for communcation .. it is for building and work puproses.
Labproject3 Spitteler holds up her sl soda.
You: yep.
Isabella Vavoom is Online
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, think about it that way: we are discussing topics and we sit at a table. we could stand around or float or whatnot – but we decide to all sit orderly at a table
Nizzy Lusch finds a cup of soup
Ahmad Hosho: Marni: i think it is different from person to person. i speak more about if it is natural, or dangrouse, or what
Bringiton Paine: my friend just camps an av overnight, makes like $300L a day withit lol
Alessandro Cazenove: bottoms up LP3
Barney Boomslang: I think people even in here are still based a lot in what they see as “normal”
Saysha Riggles: do you think th Lindens will create something like in the movie “Strange World”?
Saysha Riggles: with Angela Basset
Ahmad Hosho now thinks, hmmm.. an alt for camps makes 300L per day. that makes sense.
Marni Sands: oh – lol – just saw teh bird with a halo
Bringiton Paine: well in here, if someone walked past me with no clothes on i wouldnt look twice, if a alien floats past me i wouldnt look twice, if i see a car up a gum tree i wouldnt look twice
Sidda Leigh: I would like to ask a question of you all
Sidda Leigh: do u tell people in RL that you go to SL?
Bibi Book: yes, but campers are lag and others have the damage
You: lol
Nizzy Lusch: 300L is less than what you spend in electricity to keep that alt camping…
Bringiton Paine: irl, im not desensatised to it lol
Barney Boomslang: bringiton: and if an alien sits at a table with you and discusses SL?
Bibi Book: Nizzy: good argument
Ahmad Hosho: i spend that any way nizzy
Bringiton Paine: ~
Bringiton Paine: lol barney i dont look twice
Alessandro Cazenove: I don’t Sidda
Sidda Leigh: i dont either
Marni Sands: I don’t
Messalina Messerchmitt: I dont either
Sidda Leigh: why do we not?
You: i almost always have something on, my elect bill sucks. lol
Bringiton Paine: because it is usual here i guess
Sidda Leigh: for me….no one understands it unless they are on and i dont think i can explain
Marni Sands: keeps it more in fantasy that no one RL knows you
Messalina Messerchmitt: Because people who aer not here have preconceived ideas of what it is about

Nizzy Lusch: I think that’s the real beauty of SL. You can sit at a cafe with an alien and not think twice about it

Bringiton Paine: because we allow people to express themselfs
Barney Boomslang: sidda: depends. with internet-savy friends, I might, with family, usually not.
Bringiton Paine: however they see fit
Sidda Leigh: yes barney
Bringiton Paine: and we accept peoples diffrences here
Sidda Leigh: my son knows of course he sees me and i have taught him things i have learned here
Messalina Messerchmitt: and most of us observe rl codes of etiquette
Saysha Riggles: so is that we are more shy about SL in RL?
Ahmad Hosho: Messalina: very true.
Sidda Leigh: for example…ahmad and i have become friends….my son and i have learned a lot about his culture and i like to think i have taught him things too
Alessandro Cazenove: I wanted a Second Life, a different one.
Ahmad Hosho: i am a bad example for my cultre any way. lol but when they know more about sl, i am sure better people will tell u more.
Sidda Leigh: and….suddenly I am very knowledgable about his country…and can speak of it and him with affection and enthusiasm…my frriends are….how do u know this????
Bringiton Paine: i used to chat in text chatrooms, i seen sl on tv feature and i thought, wow thats cool, and came to check it out, that was almost a year ago and i have been on almost daily lol
Nizzy Lusch: I think SL lets me do what I’d do if I was rich and excentric
Nizzy Lusch: Like living in a big temple
Sidda Leigh: and i say oh i have been reading i do not say because of my virtual friend ahmad in sl
Ahmad Hosho: good point nizzy
You: i learn alot about people i wouldnt speak to in rl. its nice
You: like ahmad ie
Sidda Leigh: or my virtual friend in germany…or my virtual friend in australia
Saysha Riggles: hehe
Ahmad Hosho: well i think many friends in my RL knows bibi book, and barney
Bringiton Paine: people i think in sl talk more about each other to each other, then yu do with rl friends
Sidda Leigh: i just say i have read
You: or germany
Barney Boomslang: sidda: well, but ahmad is not your virtual friend in sl, but your friend in virtual sl
Sidda Leigh: barney
Bringiton Paine: rl friends , they arent so eager to share themselfs with yu . well in my case anyways
Ahmad Hosho: i have been surprised a friend was asking, and how is lady book? i was like: huh, lady book who? he said well ur SL mentor.
Nizzy Lusch: Oh? Ahmad told me when I first met him, that he only existed in SL
Ahmad Hosho: a friend in RL *
Ahmad Hosho: nizzy, leave my art talk now lol
Bringiton Paine: lol
Nizzy Lusch: haha
Ahmad Hosho: that was surreal
Nizzy Lusch: Yes, you are surreal Ahmad
Sidda Leigh: sl is wonderful for me because in RL i never meet a stranger and i have loved SL for the many people I have met from all over the world…i hhave had 3 people from SL vivist me….one from germany…and a polish friend is coming this summer
Alessandro Cazenove: I worry I will start to behave like SL in RL. Introducing myslef to total strangers and flirting with them.
Ahmad Hosho: nizzy ok ok lol
Saysha Riggles: i heard ppl form unions in here?
Ahmad Hosho tells the next topic: Why do most people in the first life tab say that Second Life is a game to them? Is it just a game to you? Why do you feel people have the inclination to define SL in their profiles as a game? Does RL define SL for us? How can we define SL for the public?
You: lol
Marni Sands: Ahmad is an enigma then – you say?
Sidda Leigh: also so friends from buffalo NY….and I will be meeting another in 2 weeks in NYC…all new friends from SL
Nizzy Lusch: haha, I never do that in SL
Barney Boomslang: alessandro: no worries, the slaps will bring you back to earth quite quick
Ahmad Hosho: lol mani.
Sidda Leigh: RL define SL for me….hmmm…yes i think it must in some ways in others no
Bringiton Paine: in sl, i spokje daily and danced daily at a club with a man, that i didnt realise, i knew in RL lol, after 3mths we put 2 and 2 together and realise we knew each other
Barney Boomslang: in RL, nobody has to ask you to accept to be slapped
Alessandro Cazenove: You know Barney, I’m not so sure that’s the way it would go!
Bringiton Paine: we spent 30 mins tryin to remember if we had done or sayd anything incriminating
You: hehe barney
Bringiton Paine: yu know what i love
Barney Boomslang: dan. rl. not even a permision dialog needed to grab your money.
Marni Sands: I spoke to a man once who had fallen inlove with a girl here in SL – they met inRL adn was disaster
Sidda Leigh: well for me….sl has given me the chance to feel affection and enthusiam for countries and people I never would have met…..
Alessandro Cazenove: lol Bringiton
Sidda Leigh: i love that part of it and feel is it valuable
florenze Kerensky: tc all
Ahmad Hosho helps to run the topic, just in case: Why do most people in the first life tab say that Second Life is a game to them?
Bringiton Paine: the freedom of speech, in sl, yu can say what ya mean, in RL yu tend to say what yu think they wanna hear.
Bringiton Paine: and people appreciate it in sl, that yu say what yu mean, irl, they will hold it against yu forever lol
Bibi Book: Ahmad: building is game and roleplay, too
Ahmad Hosho: bibi: ic
Marni Sands: Ahmad that is an impossible question to answer – how do we “know” anybody’s motivation?
You: makes sense
Ahmad Hosho tells note: http://hosho.blogspace.com has our paste meeting chat, it will also has our current conversation, u can comment there.
Sidda Leigh: for some it is a game for others it is aplay ground
Barney Boomslang: but ahmad is right, it is quite interesting how many try to put up a “it’s just a game” wall in their profile.
Sidda Leigh: it is a playground for me
Sidda Leigh: yes barney
Bringiton Paine: i think people can also be faster to incite drama in sl , then in rl
Barney Boomslang: I of course am not playing. I am all serious. all the time. I am a totally serious tiny alien.
Messalina Messerchmitt: But for some sl is deadly serious
Sidda Leigh: i think by that some may mean they dont want to discuss their rl in sl?
Ahmad Hosho tells more: we have there a vote held for about 2 weeks. is SL a game or not a game. 82% said it is not a game
Sidda Leigh: lol yes mess too serious
Sidda Leigh: interesting ahmad
Bringiton Paine: i dont consider it a game
Messalina Messerchmitt: Some people seem to almost leave rl behind
Bringiton Paine: my husband refers to it as a game, ” playing” sl
Nizzy Lusch: lol Barney
You: i say playing, but dont think of as a game
Bringiton Paine: but yu dont make friends in a game
Marni Sands: Ahmad – that is because you are attracting to the comments there people who are more apt to say it is not a game – the game-pl;ayers can’t be bothered with surveys
Sidda Leigh: lol marni yes prob so true
You: she has a point
Ahmad Hosho: marni: yes but we just make some action lol
Bringiton Paine: i would say its only a game to people who are griefers lol they come to stir havoc for fun
Sidda Leigh: and a game for roleplayers
Barney Boomslang: oh, I think it’s allwasy both. I mean, seriously: me running around in silly avatars, of course that is playing. me banging on prims to build silly stuff – of course that is playing.
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe people put in “SL is just a game to me” in order to feel less restricted themselves. Often what people write about themselves is directed at themselves
Ahmad Hosho: ic
Barney Boomslang: me chatting with people about things? well, that’s not playing.
Bringiton Paine: yeah i guess, getting into character for rp, they can get very emmersed though and it become a reality , their character becomes real
Sidda Leigh: agreed barney…
Nizzy Lusch: In fact, in many cases you can apply “I wish I was: ” in front of a profile
Bringiton Paine: but then i suppose so does super mari to a 7 yr old lol
Barney Boomslang: sure, some people work in here and make a living by banging on prims to make stuff – but still, even they tend to have a playful part often enough.