Why do most people in the first life tab say that Secondlife is a game to them? Is it just a game to you? Why do you feel people have the inclination to define SL in their profiles as a game? Does RL define SL for us? How can we define SecondLife for the public?

Topic: 3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 7:

Why do most people in the first life tab say that Secondlife is a game to them? Is it just a game to you? Why do you feel people have the inclination to define SL in their profiles as a game? Does RL define SL for us? How can we define SecondLife for the public?

[18:54] Mollie Serevi: I don’t know what you mean about “most people” Ahmad
[18:54] You: it can be a game if u choose…or not
[18:54] Tanya Rubble: I think it’s a defense mechanism
[18:54] Tanya Rubble: a way to say, I don’t want to talk about my RL with you
[18:54] Mollie Serevi: Ihaven’t noticed that
[18:55] You: if u set ur own goals
[18:55] Gracie Price: SL is certainly not a game to me. My emotions are Gracie’s emotions.
[18:55] You: same here gracie
[18:55] Tanya Rubble: I don’t think they really mean it’s a game, like other video games
[18:55] Ahmad Hosho: but why do u need to tell something like that?
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: me too Gracie
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: I don’t Ahmad
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: SL is not a game for me
[18:55] Gracie Price: I have learned alot about myself from Gracie though…as far as defining who I am and articulating it
[18:56] Ahmad Hosho: not u particuallry mollie, i mean most people do any way
[18:56] Mollie Serevi: yes I know
[18:56] Thurgood Collas: Sl is not a game to me, though I sometimes meet avatars who think of it such
[18:56] You: how do they thur?
[18:56] Ahmad Hosho: i dont do too, but isnt interesting to redfine something we already supposed to know?
[18:56] Mollie Serevi: but I thougth your question was leading…. haven’t noticed that eveyone says it’s a game
[18:57] Ahmad Hosho: oh, i hope i am not the only one who noticed it
[18:57] Mollie Serevi: might be interesting to survey
[18:57] You: i have seen lots of people ;s profiles say its only a game
[18:57] Gracie Price: I don’t generally look at the first life tab…it’s usually nonsense and nothing about the first life anyway
[18:57] Vivid Nikolaidis is Offline
[18:57] Ahmad Hosho: a poll in http://hosho.blogspot.com is running asking if SL is a game or not a game.
[18:58] Tanya Rubble: But if you are looking at the 1st life tab, you want to know something about thier first life
[18:58] Gracie Price grins at the shameless plug for his blog
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: 85% so far said it is not a game
[18:58] Tanya Rubble: and some don’t want to share anything
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: yes this is the point Tanya
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: less than 40 people though right?
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: yes mollie
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: I have nothing on my first life tab right now but I have in the past
[18:58] Thurgood Collas: Susally neewbies of hours or days dureation, maybe thinknf of it like an online game with rules and competition
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: depends on my mood
[18:59] You: hello ohlooka
[18:59] Lauranne Theas is Offline
[18:59] Emmily Cortes: bk
[18:59] You: wb
[18:59] Emmily Cortes: ty

 

Is virtual information accurate? That is, do you feel many things you see in SecondLife are as they are in RL?

Topic: 3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 6:

Is virtual information accurate? That is, do you feel many things you see in SecondLife are as they are in RL?

Sidda Leigh: no ahmad it is idealic here
Bibi Book: there are, thouhg less realistic: houses often look in RL – even those one surely cannot live in
Sidda Leigh: ah ok niz
Barney Boomslang: SL defintily isn’t realistic, rarely even near realism. even the good builds have to make compromises to the tech.
Nizzy Lusch: I rather think Linden Lag didn’t know what a meter is, because if you make your avatar realistic size it often looks stumped
Messalina Messerchmitt: *careful
Bibi Book: avatar sizes are in % most let them 100 %

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This is the chat log script of the 2nd meeting which was discussing the same topic, but with different group, according to the time differentiates between countries we were holding the same topic in 2 different times per day, this chat log could also be found at:

http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/3rd-life-group-is-honored-to-invite-you.html

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[18:59] You: as i said earlier today…sl is idealistic in lots of ways
[19:00] Gracie Price: as far as the environment or the interaction between others?
[19:00] Ahmad Hosho: all i guess.

[19:00] Emmily Cortes: Experts, however, have found most recently that feelings that people have online — connections with other virtual characters, loss, friendship, and even love — are in fact real emotions, and humans don’t have the ability to switch off between what they feel on- and off-line. ~The Wall St. Journal~ About Second Life

[19:00] Tanya Rubble: I would say that is largely true
[19:01] Mollie Serevi: have to run… thanks everyone
[19:01] Ahmad Hosho: i discovered than from 2 years lol
[19:01] Thurgood Collas: that is very true Emily
[19:01] Tanya Rubble: my emotions are Tanya’s
[19:01] Tanya Rubble: bye Mollie
[19:01] Ahmad Hosho: ok mollie bye
[19:01] Emmily Cortes: bye Mollie
[19:01] You: bye bye Molls :)
[19:01] Eaton Honi: bye Mollie
[19:01] You: i totaly agree with that em yes
[19:01] You: totally even
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: yes i can not see how anyone could not
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: well when someone dates a girl in SL, should it be a real date then? /me smiles inoccently
[19:02] You: what do u mean a real date
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: i value my online friendships as real as any rl friendships
[19:02] You: yes me too em
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: like hmmm i donno
[19:02] You: sure i think its a real date
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: a date, sidda, a date
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: hosho!
[19:03] You: if u both make plans to meet sure
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: she asked
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: lol
[19:03] Whitney Vega: Thank you so much Gracie
[19:03] Thurgood Collas: it is the same and not the same
[19:03] Gracie Price: lol…yes!!!
[19:03] Emmily Cortes: lol
[19:03] You: its ok emm ima pinch him
[19:03] Lance Lubezki is Online
[19:03] Gracie Price: YW Whitney
[19:03] Emmily Cortes:
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: how so thur, cause it normally confuses me lol sorry
[19:03] Thurgood Collas: th e texting can make it more intense
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: in SL people might be less inhibited or guarded than on an RL date
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: I think I agree with you Thur
[19:04] Emmily Cortes: yes i agree too
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: I never thought about it that way
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: since they are in the comfort of their own home usually
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: some people have said to me
[19:04] You: and yes if i agree to spend time with someone in SL….i certainly take it serioulsy
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: but at the same time, we can be more open without fear
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: Me too, Sidda
[19:04] Ahmad Hosho: thur: yes, and dont have to work hard to look sharp too
[19:04] Gracie Price: but if you ask someone on a date…you should go on a date…to a live concert, to dancing, to a virtual dinner even
[19:04] Emmily Cortes: yes and for example i have several online friends that suffer from social phobia in rl
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: I havent talked like this with anyone since the dorms in collge
[19:05] You: lol ahmad
[19:05] You: rofl thur
[19:05] You: yes its very easy to get close
[19:05] Tanya Rubble: That is a good analogy, Thur
[19:05] You: for one thing we have the common thread of being on SL lolol
[19:05] Ahmad Hosho: well it is the same to me in RL or SL lol i am already a nut any way. but i just want to know if there is a different, so i can consider that in future
[19:05] You: yes u uare a nut
[19:05] You: we agree there
[19:05] Gracie Price laughs

 

Why do you think most avatars look Western?

Topic: 3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 5:

Why do you think most avatars look Western?

You: cause we’re pretty? lol
Barney Boomslang looks at himself and can’t see anything wester
Sidda Leigh: because ahmad that is what most vendors sell?
Bringiton Paine: becasue eatern people are so beautiful its difficult to make such a nice skin lol
Sidda Leigh: hehe bring
Marni Sands: “wester” Barney?
Sidda Leigh: yes
Ahmad Hosho: what about south / middle / and north africans skins
Ahmad Hosho: north asians. south asians, arabic gulf. and far east from asia skins
Marni Sands got lost
Messalina Messerchmitt: you rarely see them
Bringiton Paine: mmm show me where to get one! lol
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: I guess it’s a bit of a “someone has to make them” question.
Ahmad Hosho: they are different shapes and colors
Nizzy Lusch: Blame Hollywood?
You: asian ones i see sometimes
Ahmad Hosho: it is not a blame, it is a why
Sidda Leigh: yes most vendors sell western style skins
Bringiton Paine: i see plenty of arfrican men here
Sidda Leigh: why would that be
Bringiton Paine: (hubba hubba)
Ahmad Hosho: barney: good point too
Sidda Leigh: and another question why do people who are not western use them or make them
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: the skin business is quite lucrative, I heard, don’t you want to make some?
Ahmad Hosho: but dont u think it looks interesting, still
Ahmad Hosho: well barney, i would like too, but i am not sure how to market it
Ahmad Hosho:
Bringiton Paine: i had an asian skin in my inv, but it so not done nice, it didnt flatter the asian look at all so i never used it

 

The rich cultural environment is also a large part of SecondLife. Do you feel this is ignored? On the other hand, many may interpret SL as a sexual environment only. How is this inaccurate?

Topic: 3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 4:

However, the rich cultural environment is also a large part of SL. Do you feel this is ignored? On the other hand, many may interpret SL as a sexual environment only. How is this inaccurate?

Saysha Riggles: i have not ventued into that realm yet, just a bit of sexy chat to tease
Sidda Leigh: i do not interpret it as a sexual enviroment…i see it as cultural rich and have learned a great deal about my self as an american and how we are viewed in the world
Sidda Leigh: i love that about SL
Barney Boomslang: media will allways focus on what brings the m ost eyeballs, so of course they will focus on something juicy or something money.
Nizzy Lusch: Wasn’t it the same with the interwebs? People thought it could only be used to surf pornography
Ahmad Hosho: this never told here, but i know many people feel not comfortable when some friends tell them in RL that SL is a big sex place.
Bringiton Paine: in rl i lack social skills, if i was having a discussion like this with yu people in rl i would be cowering in a corner and keeping my opinions to myself, i couldnt make eye contact . it is like a disease, sl gives me freedom
Barney Boomslang: cultural rich environments – I don’t think you will get many eyeballs with that unless maybe in publications like Nature or GEO or Scientific American
Saysha Riggles: sex is great but SL has much more to offer
Bringiton Paine: sex sells, someone out there gettin rich from them little blue and pink balls, its an investment like anything else
Saysha Riggles: wow
Nizzy Lusch: Oh I think text chat is like a filter for me. Once i have to type things, I can stop myself in the process, while in RL I sometimes start talking and then it’s too late to stop >_>
Alessandro Cazenove: lol Nizzy
Barney Boomslang: well, I wouldn’t see it all negative – people have sex in RL, so of course they will have virtual sex in SL. but the focus sometimes on sex-only is quite weird.
Bringiton Paine: its opposite for me, i press enter way b4 i think about what ive sayd lol
florenze Kerensky: nizzy, i find the reverser… i talk much more in world then in RL
Ahmad Hosho: virtual sex reminds me of demolishion man. if any one knows the movie, remember when he tried to date her?
Barney Boomslang: it _is_ a bit based on what people get exposed to first in this world, though. It# snot all just the media, it’s a bit what we present to the world about SL, too.
You: ur right nizzy. thats why i hate phones lol
Marni Sands: lol – I type slow enough to rarely put my foot in mouth – so to speak
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe that’s the most usual. In SL I can be quite a hermit sometimes
Ahmad Hosho: lab: lol
Marni Sands: Ahmad – I don’t know the reference you made
Ahmad Hosho: dont forget, houses in SL are very comfy
Messalina Messerchmitt: Ive got Voice, but I hate using it
Messalina Messerchmitt: I’d rather type
Nizzy Lusch: hehe, never more comfy than your own apartment
Bringiton Paine: i love houses in sl, no kids hand prints on the walls, or crayons, or vaccuming, or scrubbing the showers, they always stay clean lol
Bibi Book: It is what we present, too, but where do people go first? surely not here…
Saysha Riggles: hehe
Ahmad Hosho: Marni: well, it is about someone traveled to future, and asked for a date from another lady. but when they were dating, she just decided to make the relation in a virtual world, with sensors. and he was like ” WTH “
Alessandro Cazenove: I find that even with virtual sex, real emotions tend to arise.
Bringiton Paine: i never dabbled enough in virtual sex to experience that
Ahmad Hosho: marni: she said it is crazy at her time to make a natural relation, and spoke about how human was in danger because of that telling about viruses like AIDS and such.
Ahmad Hosho: the movie is ” demolishion man “
Saysha Riggles: the fact that kids are in here prohibits me from doing cyber avatar sex
Barney Boomslang: alessandro: of course. it’s still a real human on the other side of the keyboard
Marni Sands: so, that is how SL sex is like the movie? because it is not physical?
Nizzy Lusch: To me virtual sex is kinda like virtual food. Might wet your appetite but it never fills the spot >_>
You: yeah, thats a eeire thought
Saysha Riggles: LOL
Bringiton Paine: i know some people have different accounts for diffrent uses
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: and still you can see people in here with glasses of drink or plates of food
Ahmad Hosho: i have 2
Bringiton Paine: one to build, one to shag, one to meet friends, one to have a shop etc
Nizzy Lusch: Yes lol
Messalina Messerchmitt: lol
Bringiton Paine: i find that weird
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe they’re bulding up an appetite for dinner
Ahmad Hosho: well my alt is not for communcation .. it is for building and work puproses.
Labproject3 Spitteler holds up her sl soda.
You: yep.
Isabella Vavoom is Online
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, think about it that way: we are discussing topics and we sit at a table. we could stand around or float or whatnot – but we decide to all sit orderly at a table
Nizzy Lusch finds a cup of soup
Ahmad Hosho: Marni: i think it is different from person to person. i speak more about if it is natural, or dangrouse, or what
Bringiton Paine: my friend just camps an av overnight, makes like $300L a day withit lol
Alessandro Cazenove: bottoms up LP3
Barney Boomslang: I think people even in here are still based a lot in what they see as “normal”
Saysha Riggles: do you think th Lindens will create something like in the movie “Strange World”?
Saysha Riggles: with Angela Basset
Ahmad Hosho now thinks, hmmm.. an alt for camps makes 300L per day. that makes sense.
Marni Sands: oh – lol – just saw teh bird with a halo
Bringiton Paine: well in here, if someone walked past me with no clothes on i wouldnt look twice, if a alien floats past me i wouldnt look twice, if i see a car up a gum tree i wouldnt look twice
Sidda Leigh: I would like to ask a question of you all
Sidda Leigh: do u tell people in RL that you go to SL?
Bibi Book: yes, but campers are lag and others have the damage
You: lol
Nizzy Lusch: 300L is less than what you spend in electricity to keep that alt camping…
Bringiton Paine: irl, im not desensatised to it lol
Barney Boomslang: bringiton: and if an alien sits at a table with you and discusses SL?
Bibi Book: Nizzy: good argument
Ahmad Hosho: i spend that any way nizzy
Bringiton Paine: ~
Bringiton Paine: lol barney i dont look twice
Alessandro Cazenove: I don’t Sidda
Sidda Leigh: i dont either
Marni Sands: I don’t
Messalina Messerchmitt: I dont either
Sidda Leigh: why do we not?
You: i almost always have something on, my elect bill sucks. lol
Bringiton Paine: because it is usual here i guess
Sidda Leigh: for me….no one understands it unless they are on and i dont think i can explain
Marni Sands: keeps it more in fantasy that no one RL knows you
Messalina Messerchmitt: Because people who aer not here have preconceived ideas of what it is about

Nizzy Lusch: I think that’s the real beauty of SL. You can sit at a cafe with an alien and not think twice about it

Bringiton Paine: because we allow people to express themselfs
Barney Boomslang: sidda: depends. with internet-savy friends, I might, with family, usually not.
Bringiton Paine: however they see fit
Sidda Leigh: yes barney
Bringiton Paine: and we accept peoples diffrences here
Sidda Leigh: my son knows of course he sees me and i have taught him things i have learned here
Messalina Messerchmitt: and most of us observe rl codes of etiquette
Saysha Riggles: so is that we are more shy about SL in RL?
Ahmad Hosho: Messalina: very true.
Sidda Leigh: for example…ahmad and i have become friends….my son and i have learned a lot about his culture and i like to think i have taught him things too
Alessandro Cazenove: I wanted a Second Life, a different one.
Ahmad Hosho: i am a bad example for my cultre any way. lol but when they know more about sl, i am sure better people will tell u more.
Sidda Leigh: and….suddenly I am very knowledgable about his country…and can speak of it and him with affection and enthusiasm…my frriends are….how do u know this????
Bringiton Paine: i used to chat in text chatrooms, i seen sl on tv feature and i thought, wow thats cool, and came to check it out, that was almost a year ago and i have been on almost daily lol
Nizzy Lusch: I think SL lets me do what I’d do if I was rich and excentric
Nizzy Lusch: Like living in a big temple
Sidda Leigh: and i say oh i have been reading i do not say because of my virtual friend ahmad in sl
Ahmad Hosho: good point nizzy
You: i learn alot about people i wouldnt speak to in rl. its nice
You: like ahmad ie
Sidda Leigh: or my virtual friend in germany…or my virtual friend in australia
Saysha Riggles: hehe
Ahmad Hosho: well i think many friends in my RL knows bibi book, and barney
Bringiton Paine: people i think in sl talk more about each other to each other, then yu do with rl friends
Sidda Leigh: i just say i have read
You: or germany
Barney Boomslang: sidda: well, but ahmad is not your virtual friend in sl, but your friend in virtual sl
Sidda Leigh: barney
Bringiton Paine: rl friends , they arent so eager to share themselfs with yu . well in my case anyways
Ahmad Hosho: i have been surprised a friend was asking, and how is lady book? i was like: huh, lady book who? he said well ur SL mentor.
Nizzy Lusch: Oh? Ahmad told me when I first met him, that he only existed in SL
Ahmad Hosho: a friend in RL *
Ahmad Hosho: nizzy, leave my art talk now lol
Bringiton Paine: lol
Nizzy Lusch: haha
Ahmad Hosho: that was surreal
Nizzy Lusch: Yes, you are surreal Ahmad
Sidda Leigh: sl is wonderful for me because in RL i never meet a stranger and i have loved SL for the many people I have met from all over the world…i hhave had 3 people from SL vivist me….one from germany…and a polish friend is coming this summer
Alessandro Cazenove: I worry I will start to behave like SL in RL. Introducing myslef to total strangers and flirting with them.
Ahmad Hosho: nizzy ok ok lol
Saysha Riggles: i heard ppl form unions in here?
Ahmad Hosho tells the next topic: Why do most people in the first life tab say that Second Life is a game to them? Is it just a game to you? Why do you feel people have the inclination to define SL in their profiles as a game? Does RL define SL for us? How can we define SL for the public?
You: lol
Marni Sands: Ahmad is an enigma then – you say?
Sidda Leigh: also so friends from buffalo NY….and I will be meeting another in 2 weeks in NYC…all new friends from SL
Nizzy Lusch: haha, I never do that in SL
Barney Boomslang: alessandro: no worries, the slaps will bring you back to earth quite quick
Ahmad Hosho: lol mani.
Sidda Leigh: RL define SL for me….hmmm…yes i think it must in some ways in others no
Bringiton Paine: in sl, i spokje daily and danced daily at a club with a man, that i didnt realise, i knew in RL lol, after 3mths we put 2 and 2 together and realise we knew each other
Barney Boomslang: in RL, nobody has to ask you to accept to be slapped
Alessandro Cazenove: You know Barney, I’m not so sure that’s the way it would go!
Bringiton Paine: we spent 30 mins tryin to remember if we had done or sayd anything incriminating
You: hehe barney
Bringiton Paine: yu know what i love
Barney Boomslang: dan. rl. not even a permision dialog needed to grab your money.
Marni Sands: I spoke to a man once who had fallen inlove with a girl here in SL – they met inRL adn was disaster
Sidda Leigh: well for me….sl has given me the chance to feel affection and enthusiam for countries and people I never would have met…..
Alessandro Cazenove: lol Bringiton
Sidda Leigh: i love that part of it and feel is it valuable
florenze Kerensky: tc all
Ahmad Hosho helps to run the topic, just in case: Why do most people in the first life tab say that Second Life is a game to them?
Bringiton Paine: the freedom of speech, in sl, yu can say what ya mean, in RL yu tend to say what yu think they wanna hear.
Bringiton Paine: and people appreciate it in sl, that yu say what yu mean, irl, they will hold it against yu forever lol
Bibi Book: Ahmad: building is game and roleplay, too
Ahmad Hosho: bibi: ic
Marni Sands: Ahmad that is an impossible question to answer – how do we “know” anybody’s motivation?
You: makes sense
Ahmad Hosho tells note: http://hosho.blogspace.com has our paste meeting chat, it will also has our current conversation, u can comment there.
Sidda Leigh: for some it is a game for others it is aplay ground
Barney Boomslang: but ahmad is right, it is quite interesting how many try to put up a “it’s just a game” wall in their profile.
Sidda Leigh: it is a playground for me
Sidda Leigh: yes barney
Bringiton Paine: i think people can also be faster to incite drama in sl , then in rl
Barney Boomslang: I of course am not playing. I am all serious. all the time. I am a totally serious tiny alien.
Messalina Messerchmitt: But for some sl is deadly serious
Sidda Leigh: i think by that some may mean they dont want to discuss their rl in sl?
Ahmad Hosho tells more: we have there a vote held for about 2 weeks. is SL a game or not a game. 82% said it is not a game
Sidda Leigh: lol yes mess too serious
Sidda Leigh: interesting ahmad
Bringiton Paine: i dont consider it a game
Messalina Messerchmitt: Some people seem to almost leave rl behind
Bringiton Paine: my husband refers to it as a game, ” playing” sl
Nizzy Lusch: lol Barney
You: i say playing, but dont think of as a game
Bringiton Paine: but yu dont make friends in a game
Marni Sands: Ahmad – that is because you are attracting to the comments there people who are more apt to say it is not a game – the game-pl;ayers can’t be bothered with surveys
Sidda Leigh: lol marni yes prob so true
You: she has a point
Ahmad Hosho: marni: yes but we just make some action lol
Bringiton Paine: i would say its only a game to people who are griefers lol they come to stir havoc for fun
Sidda Leigh: and a game for roleplayers
Barney Boomslang: oh, I think it’s allwasy both. I mean, seriously: me running around in silly avatars, of course that is playing. me banging on prims to build silly stuff – of course that is playing.
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe people put in “SL is just a game to me” in order to feel less restricted themselves. Often what people write about themselves is directed at themselves
Ahmad Hosho: ic
Barney Boomslang: me chatting with people about things? well, that’s not playing.
Bringiton Paine: yeah i guess, getting into character for rp, they can get very emmersed though and it become a reality , their character becomes real
Sidda Leigh: agreed barney…
Nizzy Lusch: In fact, in many cases you can apply “I wish I was: ” in front of a profile
Bringiton Paine: but then i suppose so does super mari to a 7 yr old lol
Barney Boomslang: sure, some people work in here and make a living by banging on prims to make stuff – but still, even they tend to have a playful part often enough.

 

How do you think the Lindens want Second Life to appear to the media? Is SL promoted differently to the public than they intend? How so? Linden Lab also promotes SL as a business op for many.

Topic:

3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 3

How do you think the Lindens want Second Life to appear to the media? Is SL promoted differently to the public than they intend? How so? Linden Lab also promotes SL as a business op for many.
Saysha Riggles: the show i watched about SL was more busines directed

Nizzy Lusch: Linden Lag wants SL to appear like a gold mine in the media, so the noob counter increases and big companies pour money into Phil’s pockets.
Bringiton Paine: i think they just want a forum that appeals to everyone, , somethingfor everyone, whether they want to be involved in business or for sosical reasons. and i think they have acheived that
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, I think a bit different. the main goal seems to be to define the future of virtual worlds, because the company that defines big parts of that will be the company to base business on _that_ knowledge
Barney Boomslang: I don’t think that the current thing LL does is allready the real businesmodell for LL
Barney Boomslang: I thinik there is a plan for the time _after_ the virtual worlds are better defined
Ahmad Hosho: i think lindens lab didnt promote SL as a business box at first, but i noticed it started to change from when that lady made 1 millions english pounds as i guess?
Nizzy Lusch: Yes, it would seem so, atleast that’s what Cory wanted. But Philip seems to be after the gold, to me
Bringiton Paine: there are people in here who are so business savvy,, who irl, just cant get a break, cant turn anything to gold. its actually can be quite character building and build up real confidence to go forth in the RL and make things happen
Barney Boomslang: if they would allready do what they think is what they do for years, they would take much more care of what is there. But the way they act – the massive expansion, the many changes, the tons of new tech – that points to some different goal
Nizzy Lusch: No the change happened when Cory got fired
Alessandro Cazenove: I think they focus on the business side as they don’t want to say too much about the other pillar of SL
Nizzy Lusch: From what I heard he was the idealist
You: someone made 1 mil pounds?
Saysha Riggles: yes i heard that ppl are banking in here too
florenze Kerensky: 1mil US i beleive, anche chung
Bringiton Paine: yah but i think its the other side that gets acocunts happening
Ahmad Hosho: lab: yes.
Ahmad Hosho: i am not sure about the number.
Bringiton Paine: the possibility of business and profit, just brings more rev to sl
florenze Kerensky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshe_Chung
Nizzy Lusch: and after he got fired they opened up for the resident counter to increase so they could attract big investors into SL
Saysha Riggles: she has ppl working for her in SL
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, the opening up was long before cory left LL
Alessandro Cazenove: I agree Bringiton, I notice people at this kind of event tend not to be new
Nizzy Lusch: But he wanted it closed and got fired
Barney Boomslang: the decision of open registration was something he was arguing for, too – and that was what pulled up the numbers
florenze Kerensky: i bought my first parcel from her personally back in the day… just when she was starting in land business
Nizzy Lusch: That’s different from what I heard
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, I was in one office hour where he himself argued for open registration. so either he lied to us then, or he was on the same track as the other lindens
Ahmad Hosho: well, if SL doesn’t promote for itself as a business online box. why all this business is coming, and most of them build ugly buildings. and again if they doesn’t mean to promote it that way, how do they want sl to look for public?
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: I guess that’s something we can only speculate on. the only definite answer might be coming from LL – but I guess they might not even have the answer themselves
Ahmad Hosho: i dont know if lindens made any cultral exchange event or something, as an example.
Saysha Riggles: do the classes here help ppl with shyness
Nizzy Lusch: I think LL have tried whatever they could to attract investors. They need money to develope
Alessandro Cazenove: Shyness in RL or SL Saysha?
Saysha Riggles: SL
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: oh, they have some millionairs putting money in, so I guess they are covered for a while. and they have a black zero now on their account.
Bringiton Paine: has anyone thught what itll be like in 10 yrs time in sl? all this technology that amazes us now will be prehistoric and laughable lol
Nizzy Lusch: I don’t think they care to promote SL as a social and creative hangout, because there’s no money in that
Saysha Riggles: ok
You: but they may make it hard for people who just want to meet people
Sidda Leigh: there are no classes to my knowledge about helping new peoplde with shyness….in NCI or in the mentor group…however…..sometimes people in SL are shy to speak of what they learn of other cultures here in SL to people in RL becuse of people in RL perception of SL
Saysha Riggles: why?
You: all these big companies
You: if they tax I mean
Ahmad Hosho: yes i think virtual world is our online future any way .. but not sure if it will SL or another model.
Alessandro Cazenove: I find I’m a lot bolder in here than RL
Bringiton Paine: no nizzy but iit gets accoutns in, and people spend money in the big businesses on their avs, for clubbing, plus after theyre sick of the club , they turn to look for ways to invest in sl , so every account holder is potentially an investtor here
Saysha Riggles: i can buy SL & RL clothes in here?
Ahmad Hosho: Alessandro: i have read an article about that point, people be more bolder online, than them in RL. but that applies in all types of online communication.
Marni Sands: Saysha – just SL clothes
Alessandro Cazenove: I think anonymity plays a part…
Saysha Riggles: on the tv show they said it will be possible to buy RL clothes too
Sidda Leigh: ye agreed aless
Ahmad Hosho: saysha: giorgio armani as an example is doing this some way. he let u buy his suit, and the vendor gives u a link to the place to buy the suit from his site online.
Nizzy Lusch: lol, to me its more like opposite I think
Bringiton Paine: thats because irl, people mute us with their judgements i think. what is and isnt acceptable is different
Ahmad Hosho: thing Giorgio armani shows his suit for 300L as it is for 300 euro in RL lol
Saysha Riggles: LOL
Nizzy Lusch: But that’s not made from pixel
Ahmad Hosho: he needs to learn more about what L can buy in a virtual world, in my opinion
Ahmad Hosho: lol nizzy, right

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This is the chat log script of the 2nd meeting which was discussing the same topic, but with different group, according to the time differentiates between countries we were holding the same topic in 2 different times per day, this chat log could also be found at:

http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/3rd-life-group-is-honored-to-invite-you.html

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[18:33] You: he did tell
[18:33] Gracie Price: oops…GP re-reads the log
[18:33] Ahmad Hosho: [18:33] Gracie Price: how come you didn’t tell the name of your AVI? because it is written over my head?
[18:33] You: he typoed
[18:33] You: lol
[18:33] Thurgood Collas: I would have done that oneoon one , Gracie
[18:34] You: in RL ahmad
[18:34] Raven Bechir is Offline
[18:34] Gracie Price gives Ahmad the look…smartass
[18:34] You: so ur friends at church are polite but change the subject thur? lol
[18:34] Thurgood Collas: but no body was that interested , UNLESS they are actully on SL anonymously and sitting next to me in RL in Meeting
[18:34] Ahmad Hosho:
[18:34] You: lol thur
[18:35] Tanya Rubble: but they wouldn’t admit that, thur
[18:35] Emmily Cortes: i believe sl is a possible business opportunity but not to survive on in rl
[18:35] Thurgood Collas: some might
[18:35] Tanya Rubble: I agree Emmily
[18:35] Ahmad Hosho: so u agree of SL as a big business box?
[18:35] Pablo Quintus is Offline
[18:35] You: sure ahmad why not
[18:35] You: more than that of course but sure
[18:35] Emmily Cortes: you will not buy a house on a city river on sl income
[18:35] Thurgood Collas: I have met people at Quaker events who I know in SL
[18:35] Tanya Rubble: It has potential, just the the internet in the beginning
[18:35] Thurgood Collas: and they are not that different in SL and RL
[18:35] You: yes i have met several people in RL from SL
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: yes me also
[18:36] Tanya Rubble: I guess I’m too new
[18:36] You: meeting a friend from Poland this summer
[18:36] Tanya Rubble: I can’t imagine meeting someone in RL from SL
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: oh its great
[18:36] Gracie Price: why not Tanya?
[18:36] You: oh its fun….we are just like our avatars lolol
[18:36] Thurgood Collas: I think I would be more reluctant to have other SL spheres of activity overlap between Sl and RL, the Quaker things is distinct
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: yes sidda
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: thats so right
[18:36] You: lol yes
[18:36] Tanya Rubble: like I said, maybe I’m too new
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: if you choose the right friends
[18:36] Whitney Vega jumps in the conversation, I met my rl fiance here in sl lol
[18:37] Pablo Quintus is Online
[18:37] Gracie Price: `*~*`WooT WooT`*~*`
[18:37] Tanya Rubble: I guess I don’t know anyone well enough yet
[18:37] You: whit :)
[18:37] Emmily Cortes: thats great whitney
[18:37] Ahmad Hosho: oh i thought i am open enough about my self lol
[18:37] Emmily Cortes: many marriages have formed in rl from sl meetings
[18:37] Eaton Honi: thats amazing Whit
[18:37] Ahmad Hosho: Ahmad.. owns a jeans pants in RL and SL
[18:37] Whitney Vega: =]
[18:37] Tanya Rubble: I would worry that they might have lied and misrepresented themselves
[18:37] You: lol ahmad
[18:37] Emmily Cortes: as is the same for world or warcraft and other virtual worlds
[18:38] Ahmad Hosho: emmily yes but wow is a game SL is not
[18:38] Gracie Price: well you don’t just go from SL to RL…i think you work your way into it…to the phone…cam…etc
[18:38] Emmily Cortes: wow is not all game
[18:38] Ahmad Hosho: i hear people dies infront of WOW while they plays
[18:38] Tanya Rubble: yes, right, Gracie
[18:38] Whitney Vega: yes thats what we did Gracie
[18:38] You: its social too
[18:38] Emmily Cortes: i have many friends from wow and i play a similiar role in sl
[18:38] Ahmad Hosho: well u know better emmily ofcours
[18:38] Emmily Cortes: as you can see im not human in sl
[18:38] Ahmad Hosho: but still things are different here.
[18:38] You: great avi em
[18:39] Emmily Cortes: ty
[18:39] Ahmad Hosho: here there are formal embassies
[18:39] Emmily Cortes: yes hosho true
[18:39] Whitney Vega: we’re going to lose music for a min.. my pc locked up
[18:39] Thurgood Collas: meow!
[18:39] Ahmad Hosho: it is something interestes the UN the most, if embassies are in SL, that means it is an exception.
[18:39] Emmily Cortes: Rawr
[18:39] You: lol
[18:39] Gracie Price: lol and NASA
[18:40] Ahmad Hosho: well lets say an embassy of sweden in SL
[18:40] Ahmad Hosho: that means sweden tell: part of it’s land is virtual.
[18:40] Ahmad Hosho: which means .. when u enter sweden sim, u are considered inside the sweden itself.
[18:40] You: that is interesting
[18:40] Emmily Cortes: correct
[18:40] Ahmad Hosho: sweden*
[18:41] You: great even
[18:41] Abel Halderman is Offline
[18:41] Emmily Cortes: each sim has its covenant so why should that not reflect a country
[18:41] Gracie Price: I believe the same is true of Tuscany…sponspored actually by Tuscana
[18:41] Ahmad Hosho: and in regards of that all international laws of this part will apply.
[18:41] Ahmad Hosho: Emmily that’s how a government came inside a virtual world.
[18:41] Ahmad Hosho: applies too on Denmark and Poland.
[18:41] You: sorry eaton lol…was changin ao
[18:42] Gracie Price: hehe…i though you hopped in his lap
[18:42] Ahmad Hosho: but what i am sure is Sweden has announced the first embassy for the country at 2007 in a virtual world.
[18:42] You: lol
[18:42] Mollie Serevi: I heard about Estonia today
[18:42] Emmily Cortes: yes but if you do not like this then isnt it just easy to not visit those sims rather than dissrespect their laws?
[18:42] Gracie Price: ooops
[18:43] Emmily Cortes: hehe Gracie
[18:43] Ahmad Hosho: Emmily, i dont say i dont like them, i say SL is different than WOW and other virtual worlds in certain things.
[18:43] Gracie Price takes her seat…
[18:43] Emmily Cortes: yes i agree that it is
[18:43] You: lol
[18:43] Ahmad Hosho: there is one reason to attract such places in here, to my own humble point of view: the old need of human to communicate.
[18:44] Gracie Price: well and to make money for LL
[18:44] Thurgood Collas: I agree Ahmad
[18:44] Emmily Cortes: yes i agree too
[18:44] Ahmad Hosho: Gracie, Danish people are paying their taxs in SL now.
[18:45] Ahmad Hosho: the danish people told that today at first meeting.
[18:45] You: i didnt know that ahmad
[18:45] You: i missed that
[18:45] Gracie Price: as long as they are bringing in the $$ paying the exhorbitant prices for a server to LL…they help us maintain our existence here too
[18:45] Emmily Cortes: how is this being declared hosho
[18:45] Emmily Cortes: how do they know how much they make to tax?
[18:46] Ahmad Hosho: Nizzy Lusch is the danish lady in the other meeting can answere ofcours, and kisso is working in the swedish embassy, i will bring u her full name.
[18:46] Ahmad Hosho: they would answere better than me
[18:46] Emmily Cortes: be very hard to define a taxable income in sl when under the single ip address one can create many alts that money could be shifted to
[18:47] Ahmad Hosho: verfied alt?
[18:47] Ahmad Hosho:
[18:47] Emmily Cortes: if you earn sl income you can move it to another av
[18:47] Emmily Cortes: how would they accurately know how much to tax on sl earnings
[18:47] Ahmad Hosho: well i still dont know about the technial part, but if i were them, i will only accept money from verfied avatars.
[18:48] Ahmad Hosho: well, emmily, they pay their RL taxs in SL.
[18:48] Emmily Cortes: yes
[18:48] Gracie Price: several months ago…LL made it available so that you can use your virtual land as a tax write off…which i thought was hilarious (unless you are registered as a business…how is the gov’t going to know who Gracie Price is)???
[18:48] Ahmad Hosho: and if they sell lindens, she told they pay another type of taxes.
[18:49] Emmily Cortes: right ok i did not know that
[18:49] Ahmad Hosho: well i still say: verfied accounts are telling lindens who u are.
[18:49] You: that is pretty interesting that paying taxes in sl
[18:49] Ahmad Hosho: verified*
[18:49] Ahmad Hosho: those who put a correct payment info.
[18:49] Gracie Price: LL might know…but the government?
[18:50] Ahmad Hosho: well, ofcours LL would tell who u are if it is working on a system.
[18:50] Emmily Cortes: every av can be verified tho through an ip address ? and key ?
[18:50] Ahmad Hosho: can’t see u will be private from ur own government.
[18:50] Gracie Price: that would seem to be a violation of terms of service, no?
[18:50] Ahmad Hosho: emmily: through the payment information
[18:51] Gracie Price: i digress…i think we are wayyyy off topic now? what were we talking about?
[18:51] Emmily Cortes: lol
[18:51] You: ahmad next question?
[18:52] Ahmad Hosho: we are in topic, we talk about how lindens want Second life to appear to the media.
[18:52] Ahmad Hosho: discussing things like embassies, business, and taxs paid, gives some salt and pepper to the talk i guess.
[18:52] Emmily Cortes: brb im sorry phone
[18:53] Ahmad Hosho: cause it show some governments taking SL more seriosue that some socities
[18:53] Gracie Price: i think they certainly want to show off the glamourous…I made a million selling virtual land AVI like Ansche Chung and Pontiac girl, Callie Cline
[18:54] Ahmad Hosho: lol nice point too.

 

What does secondlife look like to your society? Is it merely a sex place? Is it a money- making place? A Playground?

Topic:

3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 2:

What does secondlife look like to your society? Is it merely a sex place? Is it a money- making place? A Playground?

Saysha Riggles: all of the above
Nizzy Lusch: The two first, here
Bringiton Paine: to me SL is like a dirty little secret, when it comes to non internet folk family/friends
Ahmad Hosho: what do u mean bringiton?
Saysha Riggles: dont ask dont tell?
Bringiton Paine: simply because they have no conception of making ffriends online and how people on the internet can be important to you
Bringiton Paine: they think theyre just net people, theyre not real friends
Barney Boomslang nods at bringiton “not dirty secret, but something I don’t talk too much about”
Barney Boomslang: mostly because family won’t grasp the concept
Bringiton Paine: and the fear of being labelled
Nizzy Lusch: A collegue of mine asked me about it today. He said somthing like – Is that Second Life still around? It was all over the media for a short while and now nobody talks about it
Bringiton Paine: ” get a real life” kinda thing
Barney Boomslang: different with friends, though – most of them are longtime internet users, so it’s easy with the
Bringiton Paine: i do heaps in sl, when my rl friends ask what i have ben up to , i say ,, ummm nuthin. rather thren try to explain this world to them
You: hehe yeah
Barney Boomslang: but I think most people around here still throw SL in the same basket as WoW or things like that – see it as pure games. at least unless they see it themselves, then they might notice a difference.
Bringiton Paine: because they will judge me as recluse, not with reality , not in the real world, etc
You: true barney
Ahmad Hosho: well, i was a speaker at a smallvisual communcation in some visual communcation event, and when i talk about SL it was like most people didnt know it. just some people said: it is not a match for WOW game.

Saysha Riggles: interesting
florenze Kerensky: i’ve been traveling virtual worlds for over 8 years now… i lost my shyness a long time ago
Saysha Riggles: have you ever run into a RL freind?
Barney Boomslang: but actually I prefer them think of SL as a game. they have far less problems with a compulsive gamer as they would have with someone who lives part of his life in a online world
Bringiton Paine: cos i still see lost people lol
You: i dont see it as a game
Ahmad Hosho: Barney: you mean u want some people to think about SL as a game?
You: just an online world
Bringiton Paine: the thing is, for instance, my gf has a 35 yr old bf who does nuthing but play playstation all day , and i think of him as a useless so and so
Bringiton Paine: i often say to myself, this is no better
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: I prefer them to th ink like that if they have no idea what SL is, yes. because gamers are more accepted than people living a second life.
Bringiton Paine: i am no better
Barney Boomslang: if they are actually inworld, I p refer them to drop that silly idea of SL-as-a-gam e, of course
Saysha Riggles: this is not a game this is SL like RL
Bringiton Paine: i dont think people consider it just a game, or playing, after they have made a friend or connected with someone i think thats when it becomes real
You: does make it easier to explain, but id rather just not say and not have to
Ahmad Hosho: from few days i suggested for an egyptian band to broad cast music in SL, but the manager said: we will see, virtual world scares me.. because it is too virtual. ( i am not sure i got what he means, but may be u guys has a word to tell about it, he is a canadian btw )
Barney Boomslang: saysha: yes, for me, too. but well, I tried to tell my parents what it is that I do in here. I finally just found out it is damn hard to do that with people who have no idea what internet is to start with
Bringiton Paine: amen
Bringiton Paine: to that
Saysha Riggles: my bf thinks its weird but i told him we could do business and advertise, then he perked up
Bringiton Paine: they look at yu like yu have some kind of syndrome or disease lol
Bringiton Paine: they assume that because yu play inworld, that yu dont function proper in rl
Bringiton Paine: look at yu as if yu are broken
Ahmad Hosho: i see many business forms are entering SL from start of 2007
Barney Boomslang: bringiton: well, in my case they just smile and nod and hope all is ok
You: yeah
Bringiton Paine: lol
Bringiton Paine: i figure the only people i have to explain myself to , or concentrate on , is the people who live under my roof. the rest can think what they like
Saysha Riggles: this is global i saw on tv that they are trying to figure out a way for big companies to profit & maybe tax this place
You: that would suck lol
Saysha Riggles: LOL yeah
Ahmad Hosho: oh well, business and taxes again, isn’t that kills the fun here
Nizzy Lusch: haha
You: but that be lke taxing the internet?
Bringiton Paine: yeah,lol yu just watch the interest rates on houses rise now and rentals increase , it will become so much like RL we will need to go to RL to escape the stress from SL lolol
Nizzy Lusch: Only two things in life are certain. Death and taxes.
You: LOL
Saysha Riggles: they figure out because its international
Ahmad Hosho: i hear danish people can pay taxs in sl now adays?
Ahmad Hosho: something i have hear in RL lol
Bringiton Paine: that peacock is a person! hi i thought yu were decoration sorry had my back to yu
Barney Boomslang: lol, yes, in SL even peacocks can be people
florenze Kerensky: hi
florenze Kerensky:
Ahmad Hosho: what else can danish do in SL, nizzy? is there something like e virtual government?
Barney Boomslang: (and aliens, too)
Bringiton Paine: most beautiful av ive ever seen well done
Ahmad Hosho: lol barney
Saysha Riggles: the only thing that scares me sbout SL is that children could be in here

Nizzy Lusch: No no… Just the Danish IRS getting a small setup in a sim. Mostly with posters saying “Don’t cheat in tax”

Ahmad Hosho: we too analee
Barney Boomslang: saysha: well, they not only “could be in here”, they most definitely are.
Saysha Riggles: bad not good at all
Barney Boomslang: it’s only natural. the more parents hang in here, the more kids will look at it, too
Saysha Riggles: true
Bringiton Paine: i get even nervous when i meet teenagers, like 18 , 19, i feel they are bait in here, just sitting ducks
Ahmad Hosho: this is smart note barney
Bringiton Paine: because they feel so invincible and grown up but theyre so ,, not

Nizzy Lusch: And if I withdrew money from SL I should pay tax from it. However, if someone decided to tax all internal transactions in SL, it would really suck

Bringiton Paine: i worry for them
Saysha Riggles: well this is the info super highway
Ahmad Hosho: nizzy, this is great.
Alessandro Cazenove: It worries me too Bringiton
Ahmad Hosho: it worries me 3

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This is the chat log script of the 2nd meeting which was discussing the same topic, but with different group, according to the time differentiates between countries we were holding the same topic in 2 different times per day, this chat log could also be found at:

http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/3rd-life-group-is-honored-to-invite-you.html

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[18:20] Emmily Cortes: you did not stand on my tail so all good here
[18:20] You: lol
[18:21] Mollie Serevi: for me it’s a playground… got fairy wings the other day
[18:21] Mollie Serevi:
[18:21] You: i say all of the above for diff people…for me a playground
[18:21] Emmily Cortes: for me its a playground also and a place to meet people from all over the world
[18:21] Ahmad Hosho: we ask about ur socitey
[18:21] Thurgood Collas: I rememeber years ago
[18:21] You: exactly for me em
[18:21] Mollie Serevi: yes Emmily
[18:21] Ahmad Hosho: how ur socitey sees u if u say: i play or i communicate in SL.
[18:22] Gracie Price: for me…definitely a playground and somewhere to meet new people…and I’ve introduced friends to SL…who simply didn’t get it…would rather go to myspace or facebook
[18:22] Mollie Serevi: I am very careful about what I say to whom about SL
[18:22] Ahmad Hosho pokes whit: a request: consider chopin a little please may be?
[18:22] Emmily Cortes: in many ways (and this has been my comments in the past) sl is just a glorified MSN
[18:22] Thurgood Collas: how people responded to Star Trek fans or players of the game Dungeons and Dragons, like it was something odd and well those people are just strange and out of it, in terms of the Real World
[18:22] Emmily Cortes: a way of communication
[18:22] You: with dolls
[18:22] Tanya Rubble: I don’t mention SL to many people
[18:22] Emmily Cortes: yes sidda
[18:22] Tanya Rubble: Most don’t get it
[18:23] Ahmad Hosho: well
[18:23] Emmily Cortes: i talk my friends into sl
[18:23] Ahmad Hosho: SL is not famouse here acutally
[18:23] Mollie Serevi: Emm… my friends would never consider it
[18:23] Ahmad Hosho: but for those who spoke about it, they have taken it very seriouse
[18:23] Emmily Cortes: uneducated opinions i care not for so i talk them into trying it before making judgements
[18:24] Emmily Cortes: the negative opinions placed by the uneducated are a fantastic insite to their own happiness in my opinion
[18:24] Ahmad Hosho: we found with a company we deal with, that we know an egyptian engineer studied virtual worlds from some time, may be 2 years? and he built in SL an egyptian tomb and hided it
[18:24] Gracie Price: as far as the people that you’ve talking into trying SL…have they stuck around and enjoyed it?
[18:24] You: why hide it?
[18:24] Ahmad Hosho: the information i got about it was like: virtual world as a high techology
[18:24] Ahmad Hosho: sidda: he was just applying his studies
[18:25] Emmily Cortes: people that dont like sl should focus on world piece as we have more piece in this virtual world then any rl
[18:25] Emmily Cortes: i think people could learn alot from sl
[18:25] Ahmad Hosho: sidda: he applied the technical part, but he didnt use it as a communication tool.
[18:25] Ahmad Hosho: they think it is better left for visual communcation experts to design the communication tools correctly
[18:25] Ahmad Hosho: at least for egypt
[18:25] You: yes that is a good point….i have learned so much from other cultures and as i was saying before……when i think of the friends i have made from those countries…i think of them and their culture with affection now rather than just being ignorant of them
[18:26] Emmily Cortes: exactly sidda
[18:26] Thurgood Collas: nods
[18:26] Mollie Serevi: I agree Sidda
[18:26] Gracie Price smiles
[18:26] Ahmad Hosho: yes but still
[18:26] You: it is an excellent tool for learning about one another in a fun setting
[18:26] Tanya Rubble: I agree
[18:26] Ahmad Hosho: when i speak about my american professor in USA who i know in SL, someone answeres that doesnt count
[18:26] Mollie Serevi: ? really?
[18:26] Ahmad Hosho: it is not accurate information, may be he is a 12 years old kid playing with some avatar
[18:27] Mollie Serevi: *eyeroll* as if you wouldn’t know
[18:27] Ahmad Hosho: yes i hear things like that when i telll information from SL. from some people
[18:27] Ahmad Hosho: but not all.
[18:27] You: in fact…when i first tried the internet years back i was so excited that i had a window on the world…but chat rooms left me cold because all they talked about were mundane topics or sex
[18:27] Emmily Cortes: so with then this person would discredit a email too? could be a 12 year old sending it
[18:27] You: but when i found SL…things were diff
[18:27] Gracie Price: well your friends don’t give you credit for being able to discern the difference b/t a 12 year and someone educated?
[18:27] Mollie Serevi: omg Sidda my first chatroom was Parents R Us on AOL
[18:27] Ahmad Hosho: well, they are a lot.
[18:27] Emmily Cortes: sl accounts are harder to crack than any email account
[18:28] You: well we all know one must be careful on the net but that does not mean it cannot be takn seriously
[18:28] Ahmad Hosho: and to be honest.. yes many people are lying behind their avatars.
[18:28] Mollie Serevi: oh god yes Ahmad
[18:28] Emmily Cortes: oh many hosho indeed
[18:28] Mollie Serevi: first hand knowledge there
[18:28] You: indeed yes but u cannot distrust everyone
[18:28] Emmily Cortes: i am the same person in rl as sl by character
[18:28] Ahmad Hosho: take an example, a girl i know.. i found hera man later .. lol
[18:28] Mollie Serevi: no I trust before I distrust
[18:28] Emmily Cortes: but i have met many that are not
[18:28] You: as am i em….
[18:28] Ahmad Hosho: i told that already
[18:29] Mollie Serevi: lol Ahmad
[18:29] Ahmad Hosho: oh this memory kills me
[18:29] Gracie Price: well certainly they are…but you get to know people and who is honest or not…they reveal themselves whether they mean to or not
[18:29] Ahmad Hosho: Gracie, yes .. oh well
[18:29] Emmily Cortes: lol hosho stats read that 40% of female avs are in fact actually driven by men
[18:29] You: lolol
[18:29] Gracie Price: hehe
[18:29] Ahmad Hosho: yes and i met a trans gendered
[18:29] Mollie Serevi: yey well I’m the real deal
[18:29] Thurgood Collas: smiles at Mollie
[18:29] Tanya Rubble: HI Zyanede
[18:29] Ahmad Hosho: met 2 of them so far
[18:29] Emmily Cortes: i have known 8 female friends that are actually men
[18:30] Tanya Rubble: me too!
[18:30] Emmily Cortes: but they are open about it
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: good point emmily
[18:30] Eaton Honi: thats disturbing
[18:30] You: yes i have a female friend that is a guy and he is very open even states it on his profile
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: yes i have met 2
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: not talking about those
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: i talk about who is not open
[18:30] You: right
[18:30] Mollie Serevi: I have a friend with a female avi… but he’s the exception
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: or like many kids entering SL and play as adults.
[18:31] Thurgood Collas: i had posted an article about SL: Quakers in SL on the bulletin board n my real life Quaker Meeting
[18:31] Emmily Cortes: practice safe sl sex does not mean wearing a condom it means being sure of the sex and age of your partner
[18:31] Thurgood Collas: and I sometimes mentioned it and refered to it.
[18:31] Mollie Serevi: oooh Emmily
[18:31] Gracie Price laughs at Emmily
[18:31] You: what do they think of it thurgood
[18:31] Thurgood Collas: it was up for about 6 months. SOmeone recently took it down.
[18:31] Emmily Cortes: well its true
[18:31] You: did anyone try?
[18:31] Emmily Cortes: i do not use sl for sex at all tho
[18:31] Thurgood Collas: I go to Quaker Meeting in SL on Saturday sometimes, and on Sunday in RL most Sundays
[18:32] Ahmad Hosho: please dont forget to tip our life orchestra dj: whitney vegas.
[18:32] Ahmad Hosho: thurgood, can we have a link to ur article?
[18:32] Whitney Vega’s Tipping Pic: Thanks for the tip!
[18:32] Thurgood Collas: no one joined SL and told me they did
[18:32] Emmily Cortes: for me is meeting and making friends, music and combat
[18:32] Thurgood Collas: and I din tel the name of my avatar
[18:32] Whitney Vega gives a big thanks to Sidda for the tip
[18:32] Thurgood Collas: though I would have if anyone had asked.
[18:32] Ahmad Hosho pets on emm head
[18:32] Ahmad Hosho: good girl
[18:32] You: wink
[18:32] Emmily Cortes: Rawr
[18:32] You: lol
[18:33] Gracie Price: how come you didn’t tell the name of your AVI?
[18:33] You: <<<>>>

 

Second Life shyness – part 1- Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife?

Topic:

3rd life group has invited all residents it can invite to its 4th March 2008 meeting under the topic: virtual shyness! Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform second meeting undertopic: ” Why are we shy to tell in real life what we learn about others in secondlife? “

The chat log has been published firstly at our blogspot blog: http://hosho.blogspot.com/2008/03/florenze-kerensky-hello-analee-ahmad_04.html

And it will be published in parts in our wordpress blog follow part 1:

When we asked people in latest meeting if they felt shy to explain what they learned about other cultres in Second Life, they adimited they were at times?
Ahmad Hosho: Yes, that happened, people told they are shy to admit they learn some visual information through SL.
Ahmad Hosho: do u feel same?
Nizzy Lusch: I’m not sure, it seems a bit vague?
florenze Kerensky: hi saysha
AnaLee Springvale: I”m not shy at all
AnaLee Springvale: lol
Ahmad Hosho: ^^
Nizzy Lusch: What do you mean by visual information?
Saysha Riggles: hello i made it!
Ahmad Hosho: it is information u get by visuals. for an example most communcation here is non verbal
Barney Boomslang: hey saysha
Ahmad Hosho: u are welcome
Nizzy Lusch: Well, in general I’m not shy to apply things I learn in SL elsewhere, if that’s what you mean
Ahmad Hosho: what i mean is: for an example if u visit the polish sim, u learn things about polish cultre.
You: im not, but i dont really say i got it from sl
Nizzy Lusch: haha
Ahmad Hosho: what if i speak about it in RL, will i just admit it is something i have been taught through SL.
Ahmad Hosho: lol like lab
You: i wouldnt
Ahmad Hosho: why not
Ahmad Hosho: hmm i would with some people, and may wouldn’t with others
Saysha Riggles: this has to be the most diverse environment ive been in
You: im not sure why not
Ahmad Hosho: well, sometimes i told people about things i have learn online, and when they ask where did u get this information, they doesn’t like the word ” online ” that much
Ahmad Hosho: and now when u say i got it from ” secondlife ” they just look to me in doubt, and say ok.
Ahmad Hosho: something like ” good luck “
Nizzy Lusch: lol

Barney Boomslang: well, I am a nutcase, so whether I tell people I learned it on SL or I heard it from a garden gnome, they won’t be surprised at all and usually just ignore it
Barney Boomslang: but I guess many people still have problems taking internet or online worlds serious as a way to distribute knowledge or as a learning/teaching environment

Saysha Riggles: it is great for people of many colors & religions to come together even if its online
Nizzy Lusch: Like quoting wikipedia about a subject
florenze Kerensky: i can relate to barney… most of my rl friends think me odd to start
You: hehe wikipedia
florenze Kerensky: but i have noticed the more i talk bout SL and vr… the less odd people think bout it.
Ahmad Hosho: well wikipedia is a good resource too lab. but not like how u find someone from the place talks to u
florenze Kerensky: now i have people coming to tell me when they see things bout sl on tv. and they seem prouud that they know of it and THEIR friends don’t know
Saysha Riggles: anyone can change info in wiki
Ahmad Hosho: there are things i thought about many places, SL has corrected the information i got about

Barney Boomslang: well, wikipedia has something SL doesn’t: a modifying discurse on things. with Wikipedia, you have multiple points of view that converge on a topic and get some kind of compromise on it.
You: yes it is better to talk to actul people from there, with SL you mostly have the point of view of the builder and that’s more or less it.

Nizzy Lusch: Well, I juts mean it has to be taken with a grain of salt, because the source isn’t always reliable. But that goes for everything, even professional news media
Saysha Riggles: right
Barney Boomslang: for example: don’t get your idea about amsterdam from the amsterdam sims. there is far more than just the red light district to that city
Ahmad Hosho: well the information is not just something told by type
florenze Kerensky: truee nizzy… and to say one learns bout polish culture from just one person in sl is something to be taken with a grain of salt also
Ahmad Hosho: what impresses me firstly when i entered SL, i saw an underground club, and i really found it very close to a real life one, and i found people act there in a way very close to RL western way too.
Ahmad Hosho: helo bringitonn, current topic: When we asked people in latest meeting if they felt shy to explain what they learned about other cultres in Second Life, they adimited they were at time
Saysha Riggles: i tend to stick my foot im my mouth alot
You: because maybe other people who dont play prob wouldt take me seriously if said fro sl